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Sunday, August 26, 2012

Concerts for a Cause Considered Economic Development

The Kid Rock concert is over and I hope that you the tax payers of Peru enjoyed it because you paid for it and will not be reimbursed. We got $9,000 which is the agreed upon per ticket rebate to the city @!.00 per ticket, the police department employees were also paid by Ms Noonan and you get to pay for the rest of the expenses.

Expenses in the amount of a little over $20,000 were billed to you, the taxpaying residents of Peru. It is being put into the category of a tourism expense and whatever money is generated by the hotel/motel tax and general sales tax is your payback. How they can determine whether the person who bought lunch at McDonalds and slept at the Holiday Inn went to listen to Kid Rock, I don't know.

More specifics will be posted as I put them together. What do you think of how the city is investing your tax dollars?

Not to belittle the fact that money was generated for a private La Salle school, but why am I paying for this?

87 comments:

Peru Town Forum said...

A little bird told me that they are making plans for next years concert.

Anonymous said...

LET'S PARTY !!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I believe that 18000 would be an estimate of the donation value from Kid Rock concert and I also believe the concerts generally give a net loss in revenues to the area, depending on the net leakage in revenues to the band and Chicago concert security/stage vs the percentage of local attendance. The Kid Rock concert is the first one with a reliable estimated attendance figure, and probably is the best case scenario for tourist and tax dollars so far. It is hard to tell without an accurate breakdown of local vs out of area attendance.

The actual jump in hotel attendance can be closely estimated, along with other ancillary business revenues. There is an assumption that the bars are hoppin and the hotels are overflowing, but no real study of what the net increase actually may be. But even a high attendance of 10000 must bring in a large outside area dollars to provide net benefit, and that assumes all city expenses would be reimbursed, as they would normally be in any other municipality for a for profit business.

The city should, even if they decide to support these concerts, should not spend any money out of pocket for any reason for these concerts. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

A big bird told me there is a election next April.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday and this morning a city wagon loaded with white garbage cans and city employees have been seen at the west end of Peru at today's concert site. Who is going to pay for these expenses? The concerts have become similar to the pickle ball court and the bike sticking out from the curb again. Peru has some individuals, including city administrators, who will flaunt their ignorance in peoples faces to show they can do it. Tomorrow night, Monday's council meeting, when the Mayor announces to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance these same individuals should seriously think of the words they are reciting and take them seriously.

Anonymous said...

I guess then that we are paying for the overtime of the police that worked Sunday nites concert too.

Anonymous said...

Economic development for WHO?????

Anonymous said...

Another great idea by the underpaid Economic Development Director!! Nice work Bob!!

H. Tom said...

i'm upset ! who the hell do these people think they are spending my tax money the way they are ? i think ms noonan owes us and should pay ! what kinda kick back did the mayor and city councle get ? was it worth your job ? it use to be who's sleeping with who ! now it who in who pocket's ! thats how i feel about !!!

Anonymous said...

I'd bet more revenue is generated by the Central States baseball tournament than the concerts. As for underwriting a private school with public money, that's against the Constitution. (The City Attorney should know that )

Peru Town Forum said...

Actually the $9000 has to go to the airport because of government regulations.

Anonymous said...

So technically we really do get $0

Anonymous said...

Could someone please explain how certain individuals (i.e. M. Noonan or the ambassador) get special attention and priveleges allotted them in Peru? And yet, we have businesses that provide our citizens with a service and our town with tax revenue and we seem to avoid them when they tell us changes have resulted in a loss of revenue for them. It's definitely time for "CHANGE". It's too bad it didn't happen when it was promised (3 years ago). All citizens need to be treated equally!!!

Anonymous said...

Is the Public Property Meeting for tonight being held during the Council Meeting? It appears so!

Anonymous said...

Target donates 5 per cent of it's profits to charity and schools every day. Perhaps if they changed their name to Target for a Cause they would not have their entrance screwed up.

Anonymous said...

I believe some of the businesses affected by the intersection change will be attending tonite's council meeting. If you can make it and would like to give them your support please plan on attending.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned previously that they saw city vehicles with garbage cans at the west end of town where Sunday's concert was held. It's too bad those city vehicles couldn't get to Baker Lake to empty those garbage cans that are overflowing.

H. Tom said...

everyone needs to read open forum in to nites paper !WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR FREEDOM?

Anonymous said...

MAYBE THE 150 IS GOING TO SURPRISE EVERYONE AND PAY ALL CONCERT EXPENSES BACK TO THE CITY OF PERU!! I'M SURE THAT WOULD HELP A BROTHER (HA HA) GET RE-ELECTED. COME ON APRIL AND BRING ON SOMEONE NEW WITH YOU. THIS GUY HAS TO GO!!

H. Tom said...

Lois i would like to know who paid for the city employees to clean up after the jamaca wing ding . and i would like it on paper from are almighty mayor or soon to be past mayor ! thanks

Anonymous said...

Lois

Please post the Concert for a Case spreadsheet sent to the FAA. This sheet clearly shows the expenses incurred by the taxpayer regardless of which account the funds were transferred from and every dime should have been reimbursed by the event organizer.

Kristy

Anonymous said...

Lois & Kristy,
When will people have had enough or is Peru really composed of a city of sheep waiting for whomever to lead them foolishly astray? The city treasurer, budget director, was awarded a $18,000 a year raise from $6,000 to $24,000 to counsel the city on managing its finances. What are the total financial losses to the city that the treasurer has allowed concert promotions to accumulate without payment? In the upcoming April election what office will be elected upon, the treasurer or the budget director and what will be the annual salary, $6,000 or $24,000?
Since Peru has individual elections at the same time what preventive measures have been taken to roadblock a officeholder from refusing the position he runs for if elected because others have lost their election? This question has been asked repeatedly since the last election without a answer. Who does the city attorney feel should make this ruling and who does the Attorney General feel should make this ruling? Is it legal to make someone sign a contract of performance before the election to perform the duties of the office if physically and mentally capable?

Anonymous said...

Aldermen Perez posed that question last night and the mayor's answer was that the information was on the shelf in the back of council chambers. Unless you picked up one of these sheets you would not know that the city was not re-imbursed by M. Noonan. I believe (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that the expenses incurred by the city for the "concert for a cause" were written off as "economic development". I believe it was also stated that this was a one time cost to the city. How about the rental income from the property we received yearly (and will no longer receive) and how about the extra grass we have to cut all summer long?

Anonymous said...

11:25
I think the young stray sheep just like to party, which is what the concerts provide. The events are also presented as a charity concert, which I have never understood, and that keeps the older stray sheep happy. How can you be against children? Right.
If everybody has a good time, I guess they don't look too close at what exactly is going down. The few who stop and say," wait a minute, this does not add up"- they just are called complainers and mocked.

Anonymous said...

Ald.Perez asked the question? Did he ask why or object to the spending? 12:30 anon do you know?

Anonymous said...

11:25 How do you define mentally and physically capable? A performance contract for a elected position? Roadblock a person from running for office? Please return to the USA, it must be awful warm in Nigeria!

Anonymous said...

More News in the local paper about the intersection. We need another survey from the City Council? Which one of them is going up this weekend to count cars? If I see any more of them counting cars I will ask for that mental capability test that anon 11:25 has requested for office holders. Has anybody seen any backups on 251? Maybe the holiday season will be the big test if it works or not.

Anonymous said...

H.Tom,

Why don't you call the Mayor and ask him yourself why the streets should be cleaned up after a party. Or why they empty garbage cans after a park event? Or why they pick up your branches after a storm? Or why they pay for your police protection? Not everybody sits at home and drinks that Sunday 12 pak. Some enjoy live entertainment called Jamacian Night. I hope the slam calling the event wing ding night was just a slip of the keys. Why don't you sponsor your favorite Polka music and block off the street for your party. I bet that same street crew will be there to sweep the streets and pick up neighborhood trash.

Anonymous said...

12:52 those young stray sheep! well its time to outlaw rock and roll. That loud music and those young people drinking the devils juice. We disguise these goings on as a concert, we all know its just satans tool to take over our city. I remember the good ole days when we went to this little peaceful place to listen to real music. I remember jumping in the old volkswagon bug with friends. I rememeber we paid $40 and got a week long of music. We traveled for 36 hours straight and finally got to the farm. What a great time we had with harmless fun. Those kids of today running around like sheep going to concerts and creating havoc. What's wrong with them? I remember the place like it was yesterday, a place called Woodstock!

Anonymous said...

After reviewing the Concert for a Cause report submitted to the the FAA; I guarantee I am not content with the informal resolution process thus far and I will pursue my option for a formal complaint under 14CFR13.

Somebody in Washington better be protecting us taxpayers and overseeing the grant assurance process because the report submitted certainly does not represent an airport being self-sustaining and is a mockery to the "process" established to protect the AIP funds.

Kristy

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:25 Why not conduct a straw ballot in the next Peru city light bill or do a door to door survey - both irrational forms of Peru city government to find a definition of mentally and physically capable or simply refer to previous state stature like every normal person would. Performance contracts as well as limitation contracts are done all the time on a professional basis so why can't they be done for elected offices? I have not left the United States of America but in your description Peru is closer to Nigeria than the U.S. because this is the only town I know of that a elected official refused to take office and was allowed to hold a previously elected office. Sad to say 11:25 its people like you who do not realize the need to close open windows such as this and therefore leave legality after legality to be fought after the fact.
How much did the debt amount to on the sheet that the Mayor would not answer and referred to as being on the shelf in back of the council chambers?
Is "economic development" the same as "a work in progress" ? Since when is a one time concert by a rock singer vocalizing red neck rhythm referred to as "economic development" People who think that way use a jock strap for a feed bag and perform weddings in public parks because their a MARE.
Wonder why no one wants to run for Mayor of Peru because the Township Supervisor election is on the same ballot. One, pays $32,000 and the other pays $39,000 yearly for a part time position. Could anyone inform those in question of the responsibilities of a the township position and the amount of time involved? Maybe, just maybe this would give us a clue. You don't have to look 100 miles East for funny business.

Anonymous said...

H.Tom,

We want to know who is sleeping with whom and who is taking the kickbacks? This is the stuff we all want to know. Expand and Enrich our readership.

Anonymous said...

2:35

1. Streets cleaned up after party.

Most private citizens and businesses do not create refuse on public property or streets. When a business or resident is issued a special permit, most municipalities charge for clean up or clean up is handled by the responsible party.

2. If parks are reserved for special use, typically the private citizen or group pays for unusual clean up costs. City sponsored events at public parks or other public use property are generally cleaned up by the city. I believe some citizens have noticed that Ms. Noonan or the city apparently forgets that she is a private citizen using the city services, which understandably upsets the taxpayers.

3 I believe that storms are acts of God, and if you are equating Ms. Noonan with God I really do not want to get into an argument on faith.

4. Standard police protection is afforded all citizens. However additional police security or traffic management needed by a for profit business should be paid for by the business. Most cities charge a standard overtime rate.

I am sure your suggestion of throwing a private polka block party to even the score will be given due consideration, but in the end I think H. Tom really would prefer the business owner step up and pay for clean up and public expenses like every other private business running concerts for profit.

Glad you enjoyed the wing ding. No key slip.

Anonymous said...

3:01
Woodstock was not all that innocent and if it would have happened at the Peru Airport at using my tax dollars, I would have gotten in my VW bug and started a protest man.

I think many people like concerts. They just smell something rotten with this arrangement and promoter. Power to the people man. Groovy!

Anonymous said...

"Woodstock festival organizers erected so-called "bad Trip tents" Concertgoers who were experiencing bad LSD trips came to, or were brought to the tents in order to work through the bad trip.  Medical personnel and members of the Hog Farm commune manned the tents. At one point during the weekend, stage announcer Chip Monk uttered the famous PSA: "The warning that I recieved, you may take it with however many grains of salt as you wish, that the brown acid that they're circulating around us is not specifically too good. It's suggested that you stay away from that, but it's your own trip so, be my guest."

At Woodstock they called them bad trip tents. In Peru, we call them pre existing conditions. What happens in Lil Vegas stays in Lil Vegas.

Anonymous said...

WHOA!!!! Front page headlines!!!! Ok mayor and city council now what are you going to do since the cart ran over the horse when you changed the intersection without discussion? I guess this is a perfect example of the city crapn on Peru businesses. It's nice to see a new engineer was brought in to look at it and try and fix Chamlins mess. It probably doesn't faze Chamlin, they will continue getting city contracts. Lois do you know if ChaMLIN GOT PAID TO DO THOSE SURVEYS WITH THE CITY WORKERS? dO WE KNOW HOW MUCH CHAMLIN GOT PAID FOR THAT INTERSECTION FIASCO? wAKE UP PERU!!!

Anonymous said...

Nice try 3:33, but you know we cant talk about kickbacks until the indictments. Blogs are for fun! Why so serious?

Anonymous said...

To the person who wanted to puke when I said this intersection was a big fiasco and one of Chamlin Engineering's major history maker screw up's ----- TOLD YOU SO!!! TOLD YOU SO!!! TOLD YOU SO!!!

Anonymous said...

3:29 p.m. Funny how you say that no one wants to run for mayor of Peru. A little birdie informed me today that we may have someone under the age of 30 who is ready to challenge Harl for that seat.

Anonymous said...

Different topic, but feel this should be known. Last week when The Meet the Caviliers was held at at LP stadium, a moment of silence was held for the Hall player that died.CLASS. Was at the Hall game Fri. nite, was no moment of silence. Guess the Hall administration still living in the 20's. Disipointed Hall alumni.

Anonymous said...

http://illinoisvalley.wordpress.com

Is this the next mayor of Peru, I met him at a couple township meeting. He could be the man for the job and I believe Lois if we can show him the support he needs he can overtake Harl and I know he has several people that he can get to run as alderman that can rally support on your side. The little bird I know told me he has views very similar to the people on this blog and yourself...

Anonymous said...

Legality of not holding a position? 3:29 you can't make people come to work. Its not slavery! If a elected position refuses to take office and does not take the oath of office, it is the disgression of the party, mayor, senate to name a representative. Its not criminal and has been done in the past. Your comment about why run for Mayor when the township pays more is well taken. However not many run for the office of anything for the money. I wouldn't vote for anybody that is concerned about what a elected position pays. Please review your 8th grade class on the constitution and that should provide all the answers about legality. Please tell me you did pass this test.

Anonymous said...

?????? WHO PAID THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND FIREMAN AT CONCERT. MAYBE THEY GOT GIFT CERTIFICATES TO LOUS AND FREE
BEER AND PIZZA AT CONCERT AND FREE
TICKETS FOR THEIR FRIENDS TO ATTEND CONCERT. DID NOONAN PAY EXPENSES FOR FIRE
DEPARTMENT?

Peru Town Forum said...

10:8AM

148.74 was paid as a Peru Fire Dept. expense.

Anonymous said...

Fire Dept expense was paid by City of Peru, not Lou's.

Anonymous said...

9:51 You have some of those elected in it for the money.

Anonymous said...

7:35
He has some interesting comments but looking up to Palin and GW knocks him out of my camp. As an Independent, I could support many republicans but those two are not top examples.

Anonymous said...

What was the purpose of having fireman at the concert? You have police, ambulance. Why firefighters?

Anonymous said...

9:51 but their is a proper procedure that was not followed because the city attorney never went to the AG for an opinion and should have.

I ask how can a person resign from a position they never held?

Kristy

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:15 Where do you live - in heaven? It surely cannot be in Peru or you better walk outside in the heat because your brain is frozen or you don't have one.
Don't you know that Peru is the town in which a alderman ran for city treasurer and upon being elected refused to take the position and stayed in the alderman chair because two incumbents were defeated in the same election.
If you believe that you have a knowledge of politics wake up to the fact that most of your representation in county board membership, city offices and township offices run for the money and the benefits. There are some who have honestly acknowledged that they could not afford a pay cut. Could you explain why the county board has not decreased it numbers as directed by the people it represents?
The original Constitution has not changed but has had amendments added to it. As for answers of legality has anyone informed you of the U.S. Supreme Court, the Federal Courts, State, County and Appellate Courts. Yes I have passed the test and studied further. When you turn on the lights in the closet put down the scissors and quit cutting out paper dolls open the door and take Civics 101 in the light this time you may also start acquiring knowledge of government which you are sorely lacking. There is a big legal world out there beyond eighth grade which is waiting for you to inquire and learn about the vast amount of information available to you. At this time I would place you and your knowledge at the same level as most of the local government officials. By the way learn to think out of the box because you have read something such as the constitution does not indicate that you have learned it as you are advising others.

Anonymous said...

Kristy, good point. How can you resign without ever holding the position?

Anonymous said...

7:59 p.m. Is it Justin L? He is the only one under 30 who seems to show consistent interest in Peru govt.

Anonymous said...

10:48
They had to have an extensive fire prevention presence for governmental compliance ( whether they knew it or not). They were also having an outdoor rock concert in severe drought conditions. Rock concerts generally do not attract a non smoking crowd, so the decision to have an outdoor one at all in mid drought is questionable at best. Many would question opening the gates at all with the forecast for the balance of the evening and the lightning strike map at the time. But it went off and was great so there was no further safety discussion, only much back slapping.

Anonymous said...

If God did not want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep.

"The Magnificent Seven"

Anonymous said...

Kristy, where do you find anything saying a person resigned from a position they never held? The first step in resignation is acceptance.

Anonymous said...

11:31 Your knowledge of Civics 101 is a little bit out of sink with reality. The County Board is a political animal and how to get elected is a party choice. Of course friends will be invited to join the party and many do enjoy the benefits of pay, retirement. Those tow the party line and nobody is going to take away pay, including the newly elected members. They are controlled by the arm of the political party. Many work on a variety of committees and are committed to the cause of the County. Those are not concerned about pay. Back to your original statement of pay. I do not know of what the pay is for your local city council reps, but I would guess that many don't do it for pay. Same with Library Boards, Park Boards and School Boards. As far as the Peru Alderman who did not take the office of Treasurer and complete his term of Office for Alderman. Nothing illegal about that. Maybe you can ask him why? Civics 101 is not a college course it is taught on the grade school level and called Civics or government, no 101 involved. Your question on the naming of the courts is simple. Courts are to uphold the constitution of the United States of America. If you believe your rights were violated because someone did not take a elected political spot, then take it up with the courts. And what would the penalty be? I still want to see your passing score on the 8th grade test.

Anonymous said...

Firemen patrol because people are smoking outside? It was raining! And the firemen were reviewing the lightning strike map? Yeah..we understand. Lets get those tickets and great seats on the tax rolls.

Anonymous said...

2:58 if I recall properly the word was interchanged with refused in documentation during the treasurer fiasco in 2009. I would have to locate my file and paperwork on the topic.

Kristy

Anonymous said...

An ECONOMIC BOOZE FEST CONCERT. The fireman fit right in. Did any of them get escorted out or asked to leave due to public intoxication. Rumor has it that one fireman(another position held at FD) and his
girlfriend was told to leave the cops for concert fundraiser. Can anybody verify this without? Granted fireman wasn't on clock. Wow, what an example. Wasn't that a family event with a couple hundred people there?

Anonymous said...

3:10 The firemen had nothing to do with the lighting strike map. I was simply pointing out a questionable decision to move forward with the concert. I do not know who made the call that the forecast was acceptable and who monitored the lightning situation. Some said the stage manager. It was probably in the emergency action plan developed by the police department.

If the action plan did not address having fire protection with an estimated 10,000 attendees within hundreds of feet of a potential brush fire it would be sorely lacking. Even smoke can cause a stampede style rush. You are right about it raining, but the storm was a true example of an unpredictable summer storm event, so you cant just send home the fire trucks and personnel because it rained. You would need to pay them anyway.

There are many things wrong about this concert, but having fire protection there was not one of them.

Anonymous said...

You have to love those little birdies. Too bad can't use names on here, due to the repocushions.

Anonymous said...

5:11 If the people in that city building only knew how many little birdies in that very building and on the payroll have begun singing, and what they are singing about... Let's just say the city payroll expenses would drop like a rock. Repercussions, repercussions, repercussions.

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:03 PM Reread your comment find you are having a very difficult time staying consistent. Appears you are still living in the Civic textbook world rather than facing political reality.
As for wanting to see others test scores when my age group took the civic test everyone passed it. It was considered a matter of pride to do what you are supposed to. Sorry to say your interpretation of the laws show that not everyone out of your generation passed - YOU.

Anonymous said...

7:18 passing may have been 50% in your age group. We now expect more from this generation and passing grades are now much higher than 50%that your neighbor graded to get you out of 8th grade. Still wondering about the County Board being in violation of the Courts? They voted not to cut the number of seats. Must of felt that representation is still important. No Court involvement required. Remember when the neighbor got out the Civic book and they used Teddy Roosevelt as a example. You elect citizens to represent you to make decisions on your behalf. The decision they made was not to eliminate County Board positions. Lesson 2. I doubt this is covered in the 8th grade course! If a elected individual is unable to perform the task of office, a appointment may be made. Tell us about the political reality issues. You mentioned money? Do you believe Mitt Romney is running for the money? Do you believe any of the US Senators are running for the money. I will say that in most political campaigns you have to have money to run, but they don't run for the money.

Peru Town Forum said...

9:27AM

I was told that the reason the meetings would not be cut to 2 was because several of the aldermen needed the extra money and their pay would need to be raised if they did that. This came from someone in what you might call high places.

Linda said...

Lois 9:32 Didn't that same individual say they would be for cutting the numbers of meetings in half but leave the salaries as they are?

Anonymous said...

Payrolls singing? Post the pay and then we will see who is singing?

Anonymous said...

The Ottawa newspaper called Peru's Mayor for payroll and benefit posting which he is supposed to do by law. Presently this is still a work in process.

Anonymous said...

FOIA the information from w-2s

Anonymous said...

Wasn't this information requested quite some time ago? I can't believe nobody on our current staff has this information readily available upon request.

Justin Loger said...

11:39 & 7:59. Funny I never gave it much thought but I suppose I could run for mayor, assuming I received enough support.

Anonymous said...

Justin, are you in favor of Peru having an outdoor swimming pool? I heard from one of the friends of the pool that Harl does not want a pool.

Anonymous said...

I heard from a friend of a friend that his cousin said that my friend and his cousin believes that thing could or could not - GET REAL! lETS DEAL IN FACT, NOT B.S.,AND OTHER MADE UP STORIES. HAVE RESPECT THROUGH CREDIBILITY!

Anonymous said...

11:09 What are you referencing?

Anonymous said...

11:09 a.m. Ask the mayor yourself if he wants a pool. During public comment at a council meeting, somebody should stand up and directly ask him if he wants the citizens of Peru to have an outdoor swimming pool.

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:36 It is very plain that Anon 11:09 is being satirical. Being fully capable to stand on my own two feet and express my own opinion my wanting or not wanting a pool will be decided upon within myself and not dependent of what the Mayor wants. If I want something I'll strive to obtain it as it should be and not let others carry my weight. What difference does it make to you or me if the Mayor wants a pool? What is important to me is if I want or need a pool,and the same should be true for you. I will state that I do not foresee a public outdoor pool in Peru for a long time and am in agreement with others that a splash pad should be constructed for the interim time.

Justin Loger said...

3:45 p.m. I agree with your statement. Although it would be nice to have a pool I don't think the city of Peru is financially capable at the moment for that kind of project. I feel a splash pad would suffice for the time being; if something existed that could also serve as a skating rink in the winter time would be even better.

Anonymous said...

A POOL IS A LUXURY THAT PERU CAN AFFORD WHEN THEY HAVE $6,000,000.00 TO THROW AWAY. POOLS ARE AN EXPENSE NOT MONEY MAKERS --- UNTIL THEN NOOOOOOOO!!!!

Anonymous said...

10:28
A city government is not a business. It does not make decisions for money making. The main purpose is for it to efficiently choose the expenses required for health, happiness and welfare of it's citizens.
I agree that a pool should not be a priority expense at the moment. Choosing discretionary expenses that bring in high tech jobs should be the priority. Without more high pay opportunities, it will drift further into a retail/ service, alcohol and entertainment, and commuter residential suburb.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of throwing money away. Whatever happened to our $40 million debt? Did it magically disappear because we don't seem to be too concerned about tightening our belts any more.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:28 Forgetting something aren't you? You did mean "The main purpose for a city government is for it to efficiently choose the expenses which the citizens can pay for and are required for their health, happiness and welfare".
Previous generations of the United States of America did not believe in leaving their debt for future generations to pay for.

Anonymous said...

1:13 I meant what I said. The degree of debt incurred depends on the needs of the citizens.
There are countless examples of past generations issuing bonds, starting wars and passing welfare programs that have been and still are being subzidized by current and future generations. Governments decide like any individual whether to purchase on installments based on immediate need. I do not stand at the altar of past generations when it comes to fiscal wisdom, tho I do tend to pay them their due regarding wartime service and sacrifice. You are free to speak for yourself but not to speak for me.

Anonymous said...

The citizens of Peru who built the pool back in the 1930's sacraficed for future generations. The generations that got to enjoy the outdoor swimming pool have many fond memories of that time. I think it's selfish of our generation not to provide the same opportunity for wonderful memories at the Peru pool. In addition to the memories, many people learned how to swim there and had jobs there. The city could afford a pool if the powers that be wanted it.

Anonymous said...

BACK THEN EVERYONE WAS WORKING AND PROBABLY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TOOK HOLD OF A SHOVEL (NO UNION BS TO RUN THE BILL UP). THOSE THAT WERE GOING TO USE THE POOL WERE FROM TAXPAYING FAMILIES -- UNLIKE THE MAJORITY OF TODAY ON GOVERMENT ASSISTANCE (LIKE IT OR NOT). SPENDING MONEY ON A POOL IS ABSOLUTLY RIDICULOUS AND AS DUMB AS THE PEOPLE RUNNING CITY HALL RIGHT NOW. WHO IS GOING TO USE THE POOL THE MOST ? --- NON TAXPAYERS !

Anonymous said...

6:24 Yeah, everybody working in the good old days. Except the 1930's had the highest unemployment rates in recorded History. You might remember it was the Great Depression? And the unions did a few decent things back then, like getting kids out of hellhole factories and stopping the rampant deaths and maimings that occurred all to often in the industrial workplaces. But everyone was good and perfect back then, not like now.
And all those people on government aid going to the Peru pool nowadays, if only we could start a decent world war like in the forties to give them something to do. Hey I am not saying Peru should have a pool, just lay off the "everybody in the good old days was better than everyone nowadays". Times are not all that easy now either, and maybe having some kids be able to play at a splash pad is not the most horrible waste of public funds.

Anonymous said...

Oh and the present day income tax covering large portions of the population was not really codified until the 1940s. So some of those folks building the pool and using it may not have been tax paying citizens. just sayin...

Anonymous said...

I am just reading the Peru blog for about the fifth time and it seems to me that there is poor management in Peru and a lot of citizens who want to throw money away on unnecessary things. Good luck in the future, I'm glad my town isn't run this way and people know how and where to spend the money.