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Friday, August 10, 2012
Peru IL council meeting 8/8/12 Venture Drive Part 2
24 comments:
Anonymous
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WHAT A WAIST OF TIME . ITS EITHER HARLS WAY OR NO WAY ! MI MARGERITA FOR LUNCH ? YA RIGHT !
What's the big drama? It looks like a boring meeting. If your attempting to prove that the forum is illegal, we don't see anything of that in the short video. If your running for office? The video won't make me believe your more competent than those that represent me.
When are the police going to start ticketing the drivers that can't follow the traffic pattern? The officers need to drive from Dairy Queen to 251 a few times with a stopwatch so they can tell the idiots who think "no left turn" means "drive past the pylons and u-turn" how little time their maneuver saved and how much it cost to break the rules.
P.S. I never shop at Home Depot because I like Menard's better and as much as I love Mi Margarita's and Dairy Queen, I've had to scale back on my visits to both because I'm on a diet, not because I can't find my way to Peoria street from Venture drive.
The video was posted for those who want to see the council during a meeting, if you don't like don't watch but don't complain because I put it on. Videos were taken from You Tube.
I have listened over and over again to these videos and have come to a very disturbing conclusion. Would someone please correct me if I'm wrong but here's how I interpret what happened.
Aldermen Perez and Mayszak asked for 2 ordinances to be tabled because they had not been in their meeting packets. They did not want to vote on an issue until they could read it and understand it? The council over ruled them and voted to pass the ordinances even though they had not seen them?
When the 3rd ordinance was presented alderman Ankiewicz asked for it to be tabled because he had not seen it? The council voted along with him and tabled that ordinance?
Why would our individual aldermen do something for one of their counterparts but not for the others? I find this disturbing.
Looks like you have it figured out exactly right as that is what happened at that meeting and many others. The lines have been drawn in the sand and it is old aldermen versus the new and the old don't like any interference in what they WANT and the way they continue to manage the city. This is nothing compared to the Public Property meetings I have attended.
12:02 How is it old against the new? Radtke and Lukosus voted against Rod and Sherry too. Haven't they been on just as long as those two? Or maybe Radtke and Lukosus joined the good ole boys club? Please explain because after the last election and appointments we all thought it was Harl and his four puppets but now it seems as though it's Harl and his 6 puppets. Who's who anymore?
You are right but since Radtke and Lukosus have come to the council, they consistently vote with the old. Lukosus votes as Harl wishes and Radtke seems to lean toward Ankiewicz's point of view. Ald. Radtke is now everything we thought he would not be and has a pretty poor relationship with many of his constituents. Maybe he doesn't care since the won't be representing us after the redistricting takes place.
Old, new, man, woman. They are all our representatives and should be voting and fighting for the rights of the people they represent. They should be following their own hearts and voting for what they feel is right for us and not for their counterpart. They should listen to what each other has to say, hear all sides of an issue, and then formulate an intelligent decision. One that will benefit the majority not the minority. MY OPINION!
Did I hear someone in this video say that you can't have 2 intersections within 300 ft of each other? Who designed this fiasco from the get go? Who tried to fix this mess years ago and failed horribly. Who is screwing it up again. In my books, that's three strikes your out. Oh, almost forgot, that was H's big campaign process 3 years ago. Oops. Guess he forgot that promise too.
We were up on the 251 intersection this afternoon. Didn't notice any backup from 251 to Hobby Lobby, but noticed cars back up from past the bank waiting to get to 251. Counted 6 cars in the old walmart parking lot waiting to turn left to get to 251 also. Absolute joke. But we only hire the best to design this great idea didn't we?? Does that company work for any other city? Wonder why.
Nice night, took a ride to Venture Drive or as it is now knows as Adventure Dr. I've come to the conclusion that there will be learning of the so called learning curve. It has become follow the leader, that is if there is room for you. When it becomes to busy in the Hobby Lobby lot, they either do a u turn in the road and some are pretty good at it or else just drive into the bank lot across the street. I think drivers have become pretty respectful to one another as they all try to maneuver themselves to head east and back home. No one is honking horns, squealing tires just calmly and safely navigating through the lots as if it was a maze.
9:12 You're absolutely right. I've seen cars backed up from the 251 & 38th street intersection all the way to the Hometown bank. It's because the 251 eastbound left turn signal stays red way too long.
I still think this problem could have been simplified and partially rectified by having IDOT limit the number of cars that can turn left onto 38th street from the northbound turning lane. Then, the southbound 251 right turn lane needed to be changed to "no turn on red." This would, I believe, have eliminated the majority (if not all) of the back up onto 251.
Limit the number of cars turning left? What do you do give out stickers or special plates to turn left? No turn on right will accomplish one item.....it will back up traffic on 251, the objective is to eliminate backup. Follow the leader is a good analogy for this issue. You got a few people following the lead of chaos and chaos followers. It looks like the majority of the City is correct in following the engineers and Idot. While a few of those naysayers will always go the route of chaos for personal glorification.
It seems that anybody who disagrees with Harl and the engineers on this issue advocates chaos. You guys are hilarious. Chaos? Dissent is Chaos? Personal glorification? You are saying people who are expressing a different side than the engineers want glory?
Citizens, immediately praise all decision, give thanks that they are made by smart folks, and limit your involvement because it irritates us and makes it hard to get things done quickly. There are more than a few naysayers on this issue, and it is being swept under the rug.
Maybe the part-time school crossing guards could be hired by the city full-time to direct traffic up at the newly designed and implicated intersection. It would cost us taxpayers alot less than paying for engineering to design another option!
11:14 No stickers needed, just adjust traffic sensors to allow shorter left signal. One proposed solution for this intersection is to seal and eliminate mall access and go to a three way stop. Optimally north venture should be widened near the intersection and allow two northbound lanes, so right turns off 38th could only be a yield and flow constantly. Eliminating mall access would force drivers to the Mall entrance and exit a few hundred feet west or change their driving patterns to use the southern access.
If you want to see all proposed solutions over the last several years, do a FOIA request but do it through IDOT not the city of Peru. Some think they lose things. But then you can see how thoroughly the problem was researched and approved before implementation.
24 comments:
WHAT A WAIST OF TIME . ITS EITHER HARLS WAY OR NO WAY ! MI MARGERITA FOR LUNCH ? YA RIGHT !
1:13 don't go there. Ask Harl which restaurant across the way was at full capacity. Obviously the rest. He was at had no customers.
What's the big drama? It looks like a boring meeting. If your attempting to prove that the forum is illegal, we don't see anything of that in the short video. If your running for office? The video won't make me believe your more competent than those that represent me.
When are the police going to start ticketing the drivers that can't follow the traffic pattern? The officers need to drive from Dairy Queen to 251 a few times with a stopwatch so they can tell the idiots who think "no left turn" means "drive past the pylons and u-turn" how little time their maneuver saved and how much it cost to break the rules.
P.S. I never shop at Home Depot because I like Menard's better and as much as I love Mi Margarita's and Dairy Queen, I've had to scale back on my visits to both because I'm on a diet, not because I can't find my way to Peoria street from Venture drive.
2:42 pm
The video was posted for those who want to see the council during a meeting, if you don't like don't watch but don't complain because I put it on. Videos were taken from You Tube.
Lois and Sherry Do the two of you hold yourselves responsible for the numerous people who are dying from laughter because of the videos?
I have listened over and over again to these videos and have come to a very disturbing conclusion. Would someone please correct me if I'm wrong but here's how I interpret what happened.
Aldermen Perez and Mayszak asked for 2 ordinances to be tabled because they had not been in their meeting packets. They did not want to vote on an issue until they could read it and understand it? The council over ruled them and voted to pass the ordinances even though they had not seen them?
When the 3rd ordinance was presented alderman Ankiewicz asked for it to be tabled because he had not seen it? The council voted along with him and tabled that ordinance?
Why would our individual aldermen do something for one of their counterparts but not for the others? I find this disturbing.
12:02pm
Looks like you have it figured out exactly right as that is what happened at that meeting and many others. The lines have been drawn in the sand and it is old aldermen versus the new and the old don't like any interference in what they WANT and the way they continue to manage the city. This is nothing compared to the Public Property meetings I have attended.
12:02 How is it old against the new? Radtke and Lukosus voted against Rod and Sherry too. Haven't they been on just as long as those two? Or maybe Radtke and Lukosus joined the good ole boys club? Please explain because after the last election and appointments we all thought it was Harl and his four puppets but now it seems as though it's Harl and his 6 puppets. Who's who anymore?
2:23 PM
You are right but since Radtke and Lukosus have come to the council, they consistently vote with the old. Lukosus votes as Harl wishes and Radtke seems to lean toward Ankiewicz's point of view. Ald. Radtke is now everything we thought he would not be and has a pretty poor relationship with many of his constituents. Maybe he doesn't care since the won't be representing us after the redistricting takes place.
Old, new, man, woman. They are all our representatives and should be voting and fighting for the rights of the people they represent. They should be following their own hearts and voting for what they feel is right for us and not for their counterpart. They should listen to what each other has to say, hear all sides of an issue, and then formulate an intelligent decision. One that will benefit the majority not the minority. MY OPINION!
What a joke!!!
I keep picturing the SNL skit with all the guys sitting around a table "da bears da bulls" they talk just like that!!
Did I hear someone in this video say that you can't have 2 intersections within 300 ft of each other? Who designed this fiasco from the get go? Who tried to fix this mess years ago and failed horribly. Who is screwing it up again. In my books, that's three strikes your out. Oh, almost forgot, that was H's big campaign process 3 years ago. Oops. Guess he forgot that promise too.
We were up on the 251 intersection this afternoon. Didn't notice any backup from 251 to Hobby Lobby, but noticed cars back up from past the bank waiting to get to 251. Counted 6 cars in the old walmart parking lot waiting to turn left to get to 251 also. Absolute joke. But we only hire the best to design this great idea didn't we?? Does that company work for any other city? Wonder why.
Nice night, took a ride to Venture Drive or as it is now knows as Adventure Dr. I've come to the conclusion that there will be learning of the so called learning curve. It has become follow the leader, that is if there is room for you. When it becomes to busy in the Hobby Lobby lot, they either do a u turn in the road and some are pretty good at it or else just drive into the bank lot across the street. I think drivers have become pretty respectful to one another as they all try to maneuver themselves to head east and back home. No one is honking horns, squealing tires just calmly and safely navigating through the lots as if it was a maze.
9:12 You're absolutely right. I've seen cars backed up from the 251 & 38th street intersection all the way to the Hometown bank. It's because the 251 eastbound left turn signal stays red way too long.
I still think this problem could have been simplified and partially rectified by having IDOT limit the number of cars that can turn left onto 38th street from the northbound turning lane. Then, the southbound 251 right turn lane needed to be changed to "no turn on red." This would, I believe, have eliminated the majority (if not all) of the back up onto 251.
Amen 9:30!
Makes sense to me ANON 9:30 AM!
Limit the number of cars turning left? What do you do give out stickers or special plates to turn left? No turn on right will accomplish one item.....it will back up traffic on 251, the objective is to eliminate backup. Follow the leader is a good analogy for this issue. You got a few people following the lead of chaos and chaos followers. It looks like the majority of the City is correct in following the engineers and Idot. While a few of those naysayers will always go the route of chaos for personal glorification.
It seems that anybody who disagrees with Harl and the engineers on this issue advocates chaos. You guys are hilarious. Chaos? Dissent is Chaos? Personal glorification? You are saying people who are expressing a different side than the engineers want glory?
Citizens, immediately praise all decision, give thanks that they are made by smart folks, and limit your involvement because it irritates us and makes it hard to get things done quickly.
There are more than a few naysayers on this issue, and it is being swept under the rug.
Who are those more than a few naysayers? When you post those names let us readers decide if its the issue or the self promoters.
Maybe the part-time school crossing guards could be hired by the city full-time to direct traffic up at the newly designed and implicated intersection. It would cost us taxpayers alot less than paying for engineering to design another option!
11:14
No stickers needed, just adjust traffic sensors to allow shorter left signal. One proposed solution for this intersection is to seal and eliminate mall access and go to a three way stop. Optimally north venture should be widened near the intersection and allow two northbound lanes, so right turns off 38th could only be a yield and flow constantly.
Eliminating mall access would force drivers to the Mall entrance and exit a few hundred feet west or change their driving patterns to use the southern access.
If you want to see all proposed solutions over the last several years, do a FOIA request but do it through IDOT not the city of Peru. Some think they lose things. But then you can see how thoroughly the problem was researched and approved before implementation.
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