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Sunday, July 08, 2012
Is This Legal? Morris?
AGENDA
PUBLIC PROPERTY COMMITTEE MEETING
MONDAY, JULY 9, 2012
TIME: 6:00 P.M.
PLACE: Morris Municipal Pool
ROLL CALL: Alderman Ankiewicz, Alderman Mayszak
I. Meeting at Morris Pool
II. ADJOURNMENT
47 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Well i don't know if its legal or not , but theirs something going on so the people from town won't know about it because they won't travel that far . Pertty soon the council meeting will be outa town too so we'll never know what the heck their doing with our tax dollars . Sounds just like peru to see how much they can get away with .
No, I don’t believe it is legal – if this is an actual committee meeting. The attorney general’s guidance states that the time and location should be convenient to the people. The OMA also specifies that the notice must be posted “at the principal offices of the public body and at the location of the meeting.” You should check with the Morris Pool and see if it is posted on their bulletin board. Finally, the Mayor decreed that all meetings must take place at the municipal building; a decree that has been broken on more than one occasion. The problem is that the Mayor has set up the government structure in such a way that no Alderman can discuss business with another Alderman without breaking the OMA – unless an agenda is posted. That is how the Mayor wants it. If they want to conduct a fact finding mission, they should be allowed to do so without posting a meeting notice.
So if I have concerns that need to brought before this committee this week, I have to drive to Morris, or will there be a meeting at city hall later in the week?
I would have to agree with Mr Foster. If it is a meeting it would not be legal, and if it is in actually a fact finding mission there should be a mechanism to allow it. Perhaps a city representative might weigh in on the matter? Have the two participants been contacted to give their comment on the blog?
I would like to try and clear the air "to the best of my knowledge" on this "fact finding" endeavor to Morris. The building and grounds committee consistes of two aldermen:Ankiewicz,and Mayszak. If they both planned on attending this endeavor it would be a quorum; if more than three aldermen planned on attending; it would also make it a quorum.
With that said..If a quorum was met this would fall under the "OMA" That would change the dynamics of this whole situation for two very important reasons.
1.This would be a meeting that would need to be posted so the public could have the opportunity to attend.
2.Morris would not be easily accessible for the public to attend, so, this would not be able to take place.
From my understanding there are only two aldermen going to Morris to research their swimming pool facts. (Costs,maintenance,etc.)
I find this to be legally fine, and a pro-active movement in regards to the swimming pool. I would imagine Alderman Mayszak is doing this on behalf of the "Friends for Peru Pool," along with that committee. From my understanding there will be no costs to the city for this trip. I hope this helped answer some of the questions. Feel free to contact Alderman Mayszak for further details as she is the one heading this up.
As a fact finding trip, this should not have been posted as a Public Property Committee because including that name indicates it is a city committee composed of aldermen who are meeting in Morris.
Rodney: If this is not considered a meeting (even though that's how it's listed) will there be the usual one on Wednesday before the council meeting? And, if there is what will be the time?
lets not muddle this black and white issue. The two members of the public property committee are going to a another city for information pertaining to Peru government (swimming pool) and a agenda has been published as such. There are no allowances for a public official to discard the hat of a alder-person and adorn the hat of a pool committee member because it is a easier fit at the time. All alder-persons are alder-persons for the entire term not simply when they want to be.
To be honest this is the first time I heard it was posted as a meeting. The Clerks Office has made it clear that if a "meeting" of any sort is held, it must be held at a location that our citizens have easy access to. As I stated earlier.. from my understanding there are only two aldermen going and i believe they are Mayszak,and Waldorf and members of the pool committee. but not 100%.
As far as Public property and grounds holding a meeting on Wednesday?- I'm not sure.
Rodney please explain how exactly the clerks office has "made it clear" about any meetings when agenda's were not posted properly as early as June? You imply communication between the aldermen and Clerk's office yet you state this is the first you heard of this specific meeting?
FYI...when someone says "to be honest" that's a key indication to me that perhaps they are trying to mask dishonesty.
So, come on someone from the Public Property Committee please explain what's going on. Is this the only meeting this week or will there be another one Wednesday since technically and legally this cannot and should not be listed as a meeting. Or, if we have issues to bring forth to this committee do we have to drive to Morris and will they offer us a room to conduct a meeting?
I'm not going to get into a debate with you in regards to my integrity. "There's no reason for me to mask anything." You have told me once before that "you don't trust any politician," so.. "to be honest"- "we're wasting each others time."
This is the last I'll post on this issue, any other questions will have to be directed to the aldermen that have organized it.
Once again... I was not aware of an agenda being posted for Morris until today. The Clerks Office (Stephanie)"has made it clear" that "all meetings" must be held at a location where it is easily accessible for the public to attend. How,and why this agenda got posted will have to be taken up with that committee; as it was a surprise to me.
I've been out of town helping my daughter paint her house this weekend. Alderman Ankiewicz is not going to be at this meeting, so it's not a Public Property Committee meeting. It's a Friends for Peru Pool meeting, but I asked for Stephanie's advice on this and she said it is better to post it. She checked the OMA and found that you can have a "special event" meeting (I believe that is what she called it, but I could be remembering wrong - please check with her if you want to be sure). We are going to Morris to see their new pool because it is almost complete. It will give us an idea of what a $1.7 million pool looks like and how it would fit in the current Peru pool location.
There will be a Public Property Committee meeting at 6:00 p.m. this Wednesday before the regular council meeting.
I think it is unfortunate that it was posted as a Public Property Committee since the Friends of the Peru Pool is only considered a subcommittee for purposes of keeping track of the funds in a safe manner. I believe to be legal according to the OMA, the same notice that is on our web site would have to be posted in Morris, the site of the meeting. How Roberts Rules enters into this, I am not exactly sure.
I was not certain if your "category" was politician but thank you for clarifying. Also if you wish to continue a career as a politician your integrity will be debated on a consistent basis so perhaps you may not wish to shut off the electorate with "this will be the last...".
When people talk AT each other that is a waste of time, when people communicate WITH each other that is when progress is achieved. There is a difference that many politicians like yourself don't quite understand.
@Kristy, I'm not a politician and I've had converstations with you. I get what Rod is saying, (No- matter what he or any other politician say to you, you won't believe them)So why would any of them want to answer your questions when you won't believe them anyway. I've read through these comments and you are just up to your usual self by spinning every word someone says to you. You should really take your own advice and 'Communicate' because all you do is 'Talk At' people. At least people like Lois listen with an open mind, where everything you listen to is a conspiracy.
In peru ( if your allowed to talk your lucky ) Most of the time your talked AT . Just a word to the councile and mayor ( don't talk to us like were the stupid ones ) !
11:05 your first sentence is very powerful and I will break it down:
I am not a politician= I am a politician I have had conversations with you=I have never communicated with you
If you have followed the blogs during the past 3 years you would know two principles I stand by:
1: Say what you mean and mean what you say. 2. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Politicians must earn the TRUST of the constituents and unfortunately we have not held many politicians to a higher standard worthy of our vote. Complacency is costly to the constituents and I will not stop holding those in public office accountable to us the taxpayers-regardless of your party affiliation.
Kristy
"10 voices heard are stronger than 10,000 voices silent"
Rodney now gives legal advice on the open meetings act? Its a legal meeting and he won't be attending but likes the idea of having the meeting in Morris but I didn't know it was a legal meeting, but I won't be going to the meeting because I just found out about it!
The OMA is a very important document and encourage everyone interested in how your city functions or does not to read it, not once but again and again. You will be amazed in the ways you can protect yourself by preventing meetings to become secret sessions. In fact I am going to read it once more as someone just asked me a question and I hope they are reading it too.
A pool would be a nice luxury for the city when we can afford it. The people who are on the Friends of the Peru Pool, were not involved 2 years ago when all the discussions were taking place on the pool with the aquatic engineers and the city council and I don't believe that most of them realize how intense that was and very expensive to say the least.
A pool would be a nice luxury for the city when we can afford it. The people who are on the Friends of the Peru Pool, were not involved 2 years ago when all the discussions were taking place on the pool with the aquatic engineers and the city council and I don't believe that most of them realize how intense that was and very expensive to say the least.
I believe that the Peru pool is a luxury and should fall behind necessities such as streets, water, sewer, safety, etc. I also believe that everyone should do their part, even though a small part, to find ways to bring money to this project if we want the pool. I understand that quite a bit of help is needed for the Fun Day on July 21st. Even if it's for only an hour, please consider contributing to the event and volunteer to help that day. Or, simply come to the event and drop a $20 and have some fun. I challenge every one of us "anon bloggers" to do something good that day to bring something nice to this City. After all, isn't that what we all want anyway? Something done right with good intentions? This blog has changed some of the habits of old council and don't let anybody tell you differently. All the bad boys watch everyday and they are nervous now. Let's show them the power of our voice and our actions that we really have. Please consider helping out. No, this is not Sherri or Rodney asking for your help. I am just an innocent bystander that wants to see this pool or splash pad come to life.
I think that the Friends of the Peru Pool need to work on this as a long or medium range project because that is what it will be unless there is a benefactor out there willing to fund it. I am sensing some impatience about getting it done very soon.
I am certainly not one for censorship nor do I believe Kristy needs any man to protect her honor, but does the 3:24 comment really contribute in the spirit of this moderated blog. It is obvious that old wounds will require a long time to heal and the less the blog inflames the better IMO. We do not need to agree but we do not need to get personal either. If anyone is looking for weird here there is plenty to go around, and I am not leaving myself out:).
Is 3:08 Kristy? or maybe her clone? I read these postings by Rod and can't seem to find a quote where he stated he liked the idea of the "meeting in Morris". I read where he stated "he liked the idea of a fact finding endeavor to Morris". I gathered out of his comments that it wasn't called a meeting unless a quorum was met, or if it was posted as a meeting. He stated he was surprised to see it was posted as a meeting because of the location. I'm thinking 3:08 is up to spinning as the previous blogger stated. WEIRD!! Kristy, or Clone?
I think people need specifics about what type of help is needed. There are not many people who will walk into an event in progress and say what can I do. We need a little upfront information otherwise you have people coming to the Fair and standing around and feeling foolish as there is nothing designated for them to do. Been there and done that. Make a list and sign people up. Maybe you can have it at the city clerks office.
No matter the need-whenever a man defends a woman's honor, sir that is greatly appreciated under all circumstances! On behalf of women thank you.
3:24 Lois
Thank you Lois for the consideration. Perhaps over time negative commenters will re-evaluate their opinions and realize we all have similar goals just different ways of achieving them. Personal attacks and bullying are by no means a step in that direction and only hinder progress.
Tammy....Is fact finding meeting much different than a regular meeting? Its posted as a meeting. Is that mean its not a meeting. Your now spinning for Rod? Kristy isn't the one that is confusing everyone. Its the yes/no/yes/maybe voice of your MAN. When you refer to women as Chic it offends all of us that want to be considered. I bet Lois wouldn't put up with your crazy chic reference?
Anonamous 10:24 I'm not the one spinning anything.The way it seems is that you may not know the difference of what defines a 'Meeting'. If Rod stated he was un-aware of a 'meeting agenda' being posted until he saw Loise post then why criticize as if he was lying to us? according to what he stated was the information they had been given prior, was they couldn't have a 'meeting' if it wasn't easy for the public to attend. I would imagine the term 'meeting' in government has criteria. As far as 'Chic' Not all females are disturbed by the phrase. Many of us are refered to as Chic, Hon, Babe,I guess it could be an age thing if it bothers some.Maybe someone under the age of 35 wouldn't be so defensive. Victoria Secret ( a respective fasion wear) for under 35 have panties and T's that have the word 'Chic' K.-Sorry if it offended you.
Anon 10:22 The Key word here is 'Meeting' according to government terms. a meeting isn't a meeting unless a quorum is present.
Definition: 'Meeting':
A 'quorum' must be present.
Someone is in charge of conducting the meeting.
• Someone is responsible for taking the minutes.
• Business is conducted according to specific rules that state who can attend, who can participate in the discussion of business, and who can vote.
• All members are notified of the meeting's date and time and the purpose for which the meeting is called. The parliamentary term for this procedure is the call to the meeting.
Oh Tammy tell me you didn't just play the age card lol. At least we are getting a little much needed humor in this thread now. Have you actually seen K? Something tells me she could handle wearing Victorias Secret chic as well as any 19 year old (and no I have never actually seen her in them nor was her modeling them ever posted as a possible quorum) And with that let's hope we can move away from ladies underwear and back to politics! A much safer area of discussion lol.
Chic, please note the rules of the Open meetings act is not in your definition. The elected officials of school boards, city council, federal, state must abide by the act. Two or more officials meeting is a meeting. This is to insure complete transparency for governments. As a resident you should want and demand complete and open discussion. If you would like to argue the point with your new found friend Kristy, good luck. Its obvious that your talents are defining female slang names like Chic, Babe, Hon? Hopefully you out of high school and prefer a proper respectful name. As far as panty choices I think its important that you wear what is comfortable for you. But the topics on this site seldom involve panty choices unless they are discussed or posted.
Tammy, please post photos before we call you babe, chic or hon. Then we can judge if Victoria's secret chic wear is tasteful. You also mentioned that when you post a agenda that defines who can attend. The reason for a agenda is to let residents know that a meeting is held and they can attend and what subject will be discussed. That was the original topic on the blog, is this a meeting? It was posted as that and we will define it as that. And Lois had the concern of how can you have a meeting in Morris, Ill?
Perhaps we should have a discussion on "panties" and the economic impact to our community. Many people may not realize Victoria Secret and Bath & Body Works are owned by the same parent company.
If those shops left the mall or Peru not only would jobs be lost but so would the tax revenue....so perhaps Tammy (although Chic is not a respectable term to reference a woman or lady) the topic of "panties" is worthy of a discussion.
47 comments:
Well i don't know if its legal or not , but theirs something going on so the people from town won't know about it because they won't travel that far .
Pertty soon the council meeting will be outa town too so we'll never know what the heck their doing with our tax dollars .
Sounds just like peru to see how much they can get away with .
Lois, I believe there were problems in Bloomington when council members went out of town for a meeting.
No, I don’t believe it is legal – if this is an actual committee meeting. The attorney general’s guidance states that the time and location should be convenient to the people. The OMA also specifies that the notice must be posted “at the principal offices of the public body and at the location of the meeting.” You should check with the Morris Pool and see if it is posted on their bulletin board. Finally, the Mayor decreed that all meetings must take place at the municipal building; a decree that has been broken on more than one occasion.
The problem is that the Mayor has set up the government structure in such a way that no Alderman can discuss business with another Alderman without breaking the OMA – unless an agenda is posted. That is how the Mayor wants it.
If they want to conduct a fact finding mission, they should be allowed to do so without posting a meeting notice.
So if I have concerns that need to brought before this committee this week, I have to drive to Morris, or will there be a meeting at city hall later in the week?
I would have to agree with Mr Foster. If it is a meeting it would not be legal, and if it is in actually a fact finding mission there should be a mechanism to allow it. Perhaps a city representative might weigh in on the matter? Have the two participants been contacted to give their comment on the blog?
What we need to find out is who submitted this as a meeting to be posted on the cities web site?
Sherri or Rodney can you please find out the facts concerning this meeting in Morris?
From: Rodney Perez
I would like to try and clear the air "to the best of my knowledge" on this "fact finding" endeavor to Morris.
The building and grounds committee consistes of two aldermen:Ankiewicz,and Mayszak. If they both planned on attending this endeavor it would be a quorum; if more than three aldermen planned on attending; it would also make it a quorum.
With that said..If a quorum was met this would fall under the "OMA"
That would change the dynamics of this whole situation for two very important reasons.
1.This would be a meeting that would need to be posted so the public could have the opportunity to attend.
2.Morris would not be easily accessible for the public to attend, so, this would not be able to take place.
From my understanding there are only two aldermen going to Morris to research their swimming pool facts. (Costs,maintenance,etc.)
I find this to be legally fine, and a pro-active movement in regards to the swimming pool. I would imagine Alderman Mayszak is doing this on behalf of the "Friends for Peru Pool," along with that committee.
From my understanding there will be no costs to the city for this trip.
I hope this helped answer some of the questions. Feel free to contact Alderman Mayszak for further details as she is the one heading this up.
Thank you,
Rodney Perez
It has already been posted as a meeting and if it is not, it should never have been posted as such.
As a fact finding trip, this should not have been posted as a Public Property Committee because including that name indicates it is a city committee composed of aldermen who are meeting in Morris.
Rodney: If this is not considered a meeting (even though that's how it's listed) will there be the usual one on Wednesday before the council meeting? And, if there is what will be the time?
lets not muddle this black and white issue. The two members of the public property committee are going to a another city for information pertaining to Peru government (swimming pool) and a agenda has been published as such. There are no allowances for a public official to discard the hat of a alder-person and adorn the hat of a pool committee member because it is a easier fit at the time. All alder-persons are alder-persons for the entire term not simply when they want to be.
To:4:10
From: Rodney Perez
To be honest this is the first time I heard it was posted as a meeting.
The Clerks Office has made it clear that if a "meeting" of any sort is held, it must be held at a location that our citizens have easy access to.
As I stated earlier.. from my understanding there are only two aldermen going and i believe they are Mayszak,and Waldorf and members of the pool committee. but not 100%.
As far as Public property and grounds holding a meeting on Wednesday?- I'm not sure.
Thanks,
Rodney Perez
Business as usual in Peru.
Rodney please explain how exactly the clerks office has "made it clear" about any meetings when agenda's were not posted properly as early as June? You imply communication between the aldermen and Clerk's office yet you state this is the first you heard of this specific meeting?
FYI...when someone says "to be honest" that's a key indication to me that perhaps they are trying to mask dishonesty.
Kristy
Rodney: How can you make such a statement? Lois's post at 3:06 states that it had already been posted as a meeting.
Lois's first post was made at 11:08 this morning, she listed the agenda then as a public property meeting.
So, come on someone from the Public Property Committee please explain what's going on. Is this the only meeting this week or will there be another one Wednesday since technically and legally this cannot and should not be listed as a meeting. Or, if we have issues to bring forth to this committee do we have to drive to Morris and will they offer us a room to conduct a meeting?
To:Kristy
From: Rodney Perez
I'm not going to get into a debate with you in regards to my integrity. "There's no reason for me to mask anything." You have told me once before that "you don't trust any politician," so.. "to be honest"- "we're wasting each others time."
This is the last I'll post on this issue, any other questions will have to be directed to the aldermen that have organized it.
Once again... I was not aware of an agenda being posted for Morris until today.
The Clerks Office (Stephanie)"has made it clear" that "all meetings" must be held at a location where it is easily accessible for the public to attend. How,and why this agenda got posted will have to be taken up with that committee; as it was a surprise to me.
"Thanks for your comments and input."
Rodney Perez
I've been out of town helping my daughter paint her house this weekend. Alderman Ankiewicz is not going to be at this meeting, so it's not a Public Property Committee meeting. It's a Friends for Peru Pool meeting, but I asked for Stephanie's advice on this and she said it is better to post it. She checked the OMA and found that you can have a "special event" meeting (I believe that is what she called it, but I could be remembering wrong - please check with her if you want to be sure). We are going to Morris to see their new pool because it is almost complete. It will give us an idea of what a $1.7 million pool looks like and how it would fit in the current Peru pool location.
There will be a Public Property Committee meeting at 6:00 p.m. this Wednesday before the regular council meeting.
I think it is unfortunate that it was posted as a Public Property Committee since the Friends of the Peru Pool is only considered a subcommittee for purposes of keeping track of the funds in a safe manner. I believe to be legal according to the OMA, the same notice that is on our web site would have to be posted in Morris, the site of the meeting. How Roberts Rules enters into this, I am not exactly sure.
Rodney @ 10:05
I was not certain if your "category" was politician but thank you for clarifying. Also if you wish to continue a career as a politician your integrity will be debated on a consistent basis so perhaps you may not wish to shut off the electorate with "this will be the last...".
When people talk AT each other that is a waste of time, when people communicate WITH each other that is when progress is achieved. There is a difference that many politicians like yourself don't quite understand.
Kristy
@Kristy, I'm not a politician and I've had converstations with you. I get what Rod is saying, (No- matter what he or any other politician say to you, you won't believe them)So why would any of them want to answer your questions when you won't believe them anyway. I've read through these comments and you are just up to your usual self by spinning every word someone says to you. You should really take your own advice and 'Communicate' because all you do is 'Talk At' people. At least people like Lois listen with an open mind, where everything you listen to is a conspiracy.
In peru ( if your allowed to talk your lucky ) Most of the time your talked AT . Just a word to the councile and mayor ( don't talk to us like were the stupid ones ) !
11:05 your first sentence is very powerful and I will break it down:
I am not a politician= I am a politician
I have had conversations with you=I have never communicated with you
If you have followed the blogs during the past 3 years you would know two principles I stand by:
1: Say what you mean and mean what you say.
2. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Politicians must earn the TRUST of the constituents and unfortunately we have not held many politicians to a higher standard worthy of our vote. Complacency is costly to the constituents and I will not stop holding those in public office accountable to us the taxpayers-regardless of your party affiliation.
Kristy
"10 voices heard are stronger than 10,000 voices silent"
Rodney now gives legal advice on the open meetings act? Its a legal meeting and he won't be attending but likes the idea of having the meeting in Morris but I didn't know it was a legal meeting, but I won't be going to the meeting because I just found out about it!
This Kristy chic is weird! Is she serious? WOW!!!!!
Tammy F.
3:08 PM
The OMA is a very important document and encourage everyone interested in how your city functions or does not to read it, not once but again and again. You will be amazed in the ways you can protect yourself by preventing meetings to become secret sessions. In fact I am going to read it once more as someone just asked me a question and I hope they are reading it too.
Whats secret about the pool. It looks like the Peru reps. will get a pool if we like it or not. Pay later just like Springfield.
A pool would be a nice luxury for the city when we can afford it. The people who are on the Friends of the Peru Pool, were not involved 2 years ago when all the discussions were taking place on the pool with the aquatic engineers and the city council and I don't believe that most of them realize how intense that was and very expensive to say the least.
A pool would be a nice luxury for the city when we can afford it. The people who are on the Friends of the Peru Pool, were not involved 2 years ago when all the discussions were taking place on the pool with the aquatic engineers and the city council and I don't believe that most of them realize how intense that was and very expensive to say the least.
I believe that the Peru pool is a luxury and should fall behind necessities such as streets, water, sewer, safety, etc.
I also believe that everyone should do their part, even though a small part, to find ways to bring money to this project if we want the pool. I understand that quite a bit of help is needed for the Fun Day on July 21st. Even if it's for only an hour, please consider contributing to the event and volunteer to help that day. Or, simply come to the event and drop a $20 and have some fun. I challenge every one of us "anon bloggers" to do something good that day to bring something nice to this City. After all, isn't that what we all want anyway? Something done right with good intentions? This blog has changed some of the habits of old council and don't let anybody tell you differently. All the bad boys watch everyday and they are nervous now. Let's show them the power of our voice and our actions that we really have. Please consider helping out. No, this is not Sherri or Rodney asking for your help. I am just an innocent bystander that wants to see this pool or splash pad come to life.
5:18 PM
I think that the Friends of the Peru Pool need to work on this as a long or medium range project because that is what it will be unless there is a benefactor out there willing to fund it. I am sensing some impatience about getting it done very soon.
I am certainly not one for censorship nor do I believe Kristy needs any man to protect her honor, but does the 3:24 comment really contribute in the spirit of this moderated blog. It is obvious that old wounds will require a long time to heal and the less the blog inflames the better IMO. We do not need to agree but we do not need to get personal either. If anyone is looking for weird here there is plenty to go around, and I am not leaving myself out:).
3:24 PM
I think everybody has their weird moments and if Kristy wants it removed I will do so, just let me know.
I know I have made comments that have caused people think the same thing of me but we both usually smile and kind of wear it as a badge of honor.
I have received comments that are so much nastier than that, that I guess I kind of glossed over it. What do you think Kristy?
Is 3:08 Kristy? or maybe her clone? I read these postings by Rod and can't seem to find a quote where he stated he liked the idea of the "meeting in Morris". I read where he stated "he liked the idea of a fact finding endeavor to Morris". I gathered out of his comments that it wasn't called a meeting unless a quorum was met, or if it was posted as a meeting. He stated he was surprised to see it was posted as a meeting because of the location. I'm thinking 3:08 is up to spinning as the previous blogger stated.
WEIRD!!
Kristy, or Clone?
Tammy F.
5:18 PM
I think people need specifics about what type of help is needed. There are not many people who will walk into an event in progress and say what can I do. We need a little upfront information otherwise you have people coming to the Fair and standing around and feeling foolish as there is nothing designated for them to do.
Been there and done that. Make a list and sign people up. Maybe you can have it at the city clerks office.
7:00 pm
No matter the need-whenever a man defends a woman's honor, sir that is greatly appreciated under all circumstances! On behalf of women thank you.
3:24 Lois
Thank you Lois for the consideration. Perhaps over time negative commenters will re-evaluate their opinions and realize we all have similar goals just different ways of achieving them. Personal attacks and bullying are by no means a step in that direction and only hinder progress.
Kristy
Hate to say it Lois but I wouldn't put any task list at City Hall.
Maybe Sheri could post the task list here or on the facebook page.
Just a thought.
Tammy....Is fact finding meeting much different than a regular meeting? Its posted as a meeting. Is that mean its not a meeting. Your now spinning for Rod? Kristy isn't the one that is confusing everyone. Its the yes/no/yes/maybe voice of your MAN. When you refer to women as Chic it offends all of us that want to be considered. I bet Lois wouldn't put up with your crazy chic reference?
Anonamous 10:24
I'm not the one spinning anything.The way it seems is that you may not know the difference of what defines a 'Meeting'. If Rod stated he was un-aware of a 'meeting agenda' being posted until he saw Loise post then why criticize as if he was lying to us? according to what he stated was the information they had been given prior, was they couldn't have a 'meeting' if it wasn't easy for the public to attend. I would imagine the term 'meeting' in government has criteria. As far as 'Chic' Not all females are disturbed by the phrase. Many of us are refered to as Chic, Hon, Babe,I guess it could be an age thing if it bothers some.Maybe someone under the age of 35 wouldn't be so defensive. Victoria Secret ( a respective fasion wear) for under 35 have panties and T's that have the word 'Chic' K.-Sorry if it offended you.
Chic-Tammy
Anon 10:22
The Key word here is 'Meeting' according to government terms. a meeting isn't a meeting unless a quorum is present.
Definition: 'Meeting':
A 'quorum' must be present.
Someone is in charge of conducting the meeting.
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Someone is responsible for taking the minutes.
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Business is conducted according to specific rules that state who can attend, who can participate in the discussion of business, and who can vote.
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All members are notified of the meeting's date and time and the purpose for which the meeting is called. The parliamentary term for this procedure is the call to the meeting.
Chic- Tammy
Oh Tammy tell me you didn't just play the age card lol. At least we are getting a little much needed humor in this thread now. Have you actually seen K? Something tells me she could handle wearing Victorias Secret chic as well as any 19 year old (and no I have never actually seen her in them nor was her modeling them ever posted as a possible quorum) And with that let's hope we can move away from ladies underwear and back to politics! A much safer area of discussion lol.
Anon 5:57 I take it 'K' is over 35? Besides the point! My point was the phrase 'Chic' is not a bad thing in today's society.
As Kristy (5:57) would say-'Lets brake a sentence down'('and No i have never actually seen her') equalls= 'Yes you have'!!
Chic-Tammy
Chic, please note the rules of the Open meetings act is not in your definition. The elected officials of school boards, city council, federal, state must abide by the act. Two or more officials meeting is a meeting. This is to insure complete transparency for governments. As a resident you should want and demand complete and open discussion. If you would like to argue the point with your new found friend Kristy, good luck. Its obvious that your talents are defining female slang names like Chic, Babe, Hon? Hopefully you out of high school and prefer a proper respectful name. As far as panty choices I think its important that you wear what is comfortable for you. But the topics on this site seldom involve panty choices unless they are discussed or posted.
Tammy, please post photos before we call you babe, chic or hon. Then we can judge if Victoria's secret chic wear is tasteful. You also mentioned that when you post a agenda that defines who can attend. The reason for a agenda is to let residents know that a meeting is held and they can attend and what subject will be discussed. That was the original topic on the blog, is this a meeting? It was posted as that and we will define it as that. And Lois had the concern of how can you have a meeting in Morris, Ill?
Perhaps we should have a discussion on "panties" and the economic impact to our community. Many people may not realize Victoria Secret and Bath & Body Works are owned by the same parent company.
If those shops left the mall or Peru not only would jobs be lost but so would the tax revenue....so perhaps Tammy (although Chic is not a respectable term to reference a woman or lady) the topic of "panties" is worthy of a discussion.
Kristy
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