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Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Village of Dalzell Meeting Tonight Concerts for a Cause
The Dalzell Zoning Board tonight held a meeting regarding the request by Ms. Noonan to hold her concert on ground she recently purchased for that purpose.
The request was denied mostly because she had no clear plan for the concert plus there were safety concerns.
26 comments:
H, Tom
said...
CONGRATS TO THE MAYOR N COUNCIL OF DALZEL . AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE THINK OF IT'S TOWN PEOPLE N IT'S TOWN AND NOT THE MONEY !
A zoning board in Dalzell isn’t excited about hosting big-name music acts.
According to the NewsTribune, zoning members last night unanimously turned down a special use permit for concert promoter Merry Noonan. Noonan wants to start having concerts on farmland north of St. Bede Academy near a subdivision.
Several people showed up to last night’s zoning meeting to speak in opposition of Noonan’s proposal. A petition against the special use also was turned in.
The Dalzell Village Board meets tonight and is expected to take up the concert issue.
I attended the meeting last evening and I applaud the board and the citizens for standing together and doing what is best for their community. The meeting was extemeley organized, very professional and quite informative for even a Peru resident.
We in Peru definitely should be concerned with events of this magnitude and the safety of our community and the liability on City property.
I smell jealousy here big time. Noonan has the guts to do concerts and give some money to charities and many get their panties in a bunch. What could be wrong with allowing one or two concerts and if there is trouble or problems then shut the door on her. One night of noise and the board goes balistic. I guess Dalzell doesn't allow motorcyles because they make more noise than a band. This blog wants more activities for the area but slams Noonan when she wants to provide some. Stop the jealousy and nitpicking.
I want stats on the makeup of the concert goers. That is what everyone needs to see to justify the trouble the city has already had to go through.
This is not just a piece of property owned by the city but an airport that has many different state and federal boards involved. It wouldn't be so funny if they found a problem and cut off funding.
To bad the city of Peru doesn't put its citizens as a whole , first! Maybe we can get the board of Dalzell to teach our one minded council how to run a town ...
MANY departments and programs receive FEDERAL grant money including Police and Fire, which according to this blog, are more corrupt and inept than any in the area. I'm failing to see how you think that utilizing a public space for a public purpose will cut off federal funding? Just because it's a private business that is hosting the event doesn't mean that it's wrong. NO ONE puts on a concert for free.
The city cannot support the airport without the federal and state funding, the other departments are departments the city cannot function without and are required by law. Airports are not necessary......
Lois, I wholeheartedly agree with that point, however, I still fail to understand the rationale for your earlier statement. If the city were to regularly allow activities of this type take place, for private benefit, I could see Peru placing future grant opportunities at risk. That's not the case here. This is a public event, for a charitable cause. The city should be reimbursed for all expenses related to the event, in my opinion, and in the future this process should be conducted much more honestly and openly than our Mayor has done this deal. Still, I haven't seen or heard anything that would be grounds for the Feds to cancel any future grants.
Why do Peru politicians jump at every idea that confronts them with a immediate yes and than stop and think? Come on people it would make it much easier on all if you would think and than express your opinion. The dog-sled pull should have been lesson enough!
Actually the contract has not been signed yet by Ms Noonan and I believe she will be getting a bill for all expenses so far incurred. This is something that should have been talked about openly from the beginning and it was not and finally some of the information is leaking out because it was not discussed and I am told that many people have foia requests made to the clerks office for concert information. We as a city have more important things to discuss than the concert and we should not have to spend so much time getting all the dots lined up in the proper order. Ms Noonan really needs to get some property of her own and get all the details taken care of and she can have concerts every month at her convenience.
Lois your 12:15 comment is really off. Ms. Noonan should get her own property and host her own concerts? Really? Because that is how they do it everywhere else, right? Other cities - progressive communities - use public grounds to host these types of events all of the time.
I am one of MANY who APPLAUD the city of Peru for being willing to host these types of events, bring some culture and interest and also bring people to our community. Why do you think big cities do everything they can to get you to come there and spend your money. The public foots part of the bill. The promoter makes some money. The community gets a pretty cool concert, if they choose to attend.
We like people coming here! It is one event! I am part of the silent majority who support these types of things, and only come to the blog to be entertained.
I'm curious as to what other airport you know of that hosts this type of concet? Can you name another Illinois city that does host an event like this, except for our county fairs. Bureau county will be hosting a concert this summer and their venue is an appropriate location. Mendota does that also at the fairgrounds. Perhaps Ms Noonan should try for the fairgrounds for a concert.
Anon 10:46 You claim progressivecities use public grounds to host concerts all the time? Are they directly hosting the concert or are they allowing a promoter to host them on city owned propery? Could this be property of private ownership on which the concert is held within a city? Could you submit some examples of the cities by name that allow a private business person to host a concert on government property for .008% or less. If you have their phone number please include, as I am going to call them for verification.
So 12:43 because I have a different opinion I'm a child that should be seen and not heard. What did I say that is so offensive. I thought this blog was all about expressing opinions.
All I was trying to say is that there are many people who are excited about the concerts, appreciate the effort the promoter.
12:35, where would you like to begin. There is this new thing called google. Type in the words concerts and park and see what you find. Many cities build their entire summer around concerts in their parks usually in a series. Milwaukee has a schedule of hundreds of concerts at countless parks. Chicago is pretty much a concert at Grant Park the entire summer. If you don't believe me I have one word for you: Lollapalooza. How about Blues Fest? Do you even want me to get started with Central Park?
I am neutral on the airport and that is not what I was promoting. Like many I just want the concert every year in Peru.
If you want to get technical, public festivals, which take place on public roadways and in public parks and provide NO benefit to the community other than entertainment, are not all that dissimilar from this event. The fact that this event is taking place on excess ground at an airport is pointless. You act as if it's taking place on the runway of O'hare or Midway. Just how many planes land at our airport anyway? This event will draw many people to the area, bring in tax revenue, revenue off of ticket sales, provide entertainment, and a donation to a worthy cause as a cavieat. If the City is going to be reimbursed for all expenses incurred, the only complaining that anyone has to do is the fact that this wasn't an open process from the beginning as it should've been.
Anon 3:11 You may be answering someones questions but I can assure you that you are not answering 12:35's. This is not a government sponsored function being held on government property, it is a private investors concert being held on government property in which the government is utilizing taxpayers funds at a financial loss. either you don't understand finance and economics or you are not a citizen of Peru, or just maybe you are Ms. Noonan.
4:52pm This is not excess ground at the airport, it was and will continue to be income producing land which due to the decision to let MS Noonan hold a financially profitable concert (to her) at the airport will not be providing the city extra cash. Not only that but we have to pay the farmers for the fertilizer they put on the land last fall and we had to pay $4000 for grass seed so Ms Noonan would have a place to allow cars to park. I don't think you can find another city that found it necessary to go through all that extra "nonsense" to allow a private promoter to put on a concert.
If the city is being reimbursed for this "nonsense" as you say, what's the big deal? If the city isn't, its another failure of our city leadership. Again, I'm still waiting for you to produce one shred of evidence that supports your position that holding this concert on excess (not part of the daily operations) ground, in a public space, for a public purpose? Sure she's going to make some money on it. Last time I checked, she wasn't a non profit.
5:05: I can assure you that I did answer, but I will try to explain it better for you. Many concerts and countless other public events in other cities are, in fact, sponsored by private entities and promoters. I'm certain those cities do a better job of recouping some of their upfront costs but the theory is as 4:52 stated.
Chicago does not have dozens of privately promoted (and profitable) events on public grounds (Grant Park for example) as a service to its citizens. They do it so we will go there and spend our money. And we do. The problem is you cannot quantify what is spent or how much revenue is generated.
Have you ever heard of a city spending public tax dollars on a new stadium for a professional team that is owned 100 percent by a wealthy, private sector individual or corporation? It happens all of the time! Why? DUH!
Actually I won't bore you with my background in economics and how the private sector actually works, but it is clear that you and others on here who make the same sorry points over and over do not understand. No offense but when you are counting the cost of grass seed, it shows you can add. When you understand investment, return, economic growth, public and private sector cooperation and how municipalities generate tax revenue then you might be getting on the right track.
You can disagree, but it is an absolute fact that this type of event is considered an economic engine in larger cities. Kid Rock will play somewhere. Wherever he plays, there will be an economic benefit. Cities use tax dollars to build stadiums. Private investors win and the city usually also wins in the long run.
I'm not Mrs. Noonan and I don't know her but I can assure you I have an understanding of economics that far exceeds yours. I just get frustrated when people cannot see the big picture. Disagree with me, disagree with the city, but when it comes to economics I can assure you I am not the one in need of a lesson.
Please forgive my lack of intelligence in economics; I am just your average cleaning lady.
Please explain how tax revenue is determined when operating on cash basis system? No ticket vouchers only cash-cash for food, for alcohol, for beverages, etc. How does someone generate accurate tax revenue IF they can not quantify sales revenue?
I wonder if Noonan ever talked to whoever had concerts at Silver Slipper in Ottawa. They had big name performers there a few years ago. Maybe she should go to Ottawa! She probably wouldn't because of all the extra money from liquor sales she wouldn't be able to profit from personally.
Noonan's is also profiting from sales of tickets sold at her restruant. People are drinking and eating when they go there to purchase tickets. She is no dummy.
26 comments:
CONGRATS TO THE MAYOR N COUNCIL OF DALZEL . AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE THINK OF IT'S TOWN PEOPLE N IT'S TOWN AND NOT THE MONEY !
Posted by wlpo on June 13, 2012
A zoning board in Dalzell isn’t excited about hosting big-name music acts.
According to the NewsTribune, zoning members last night unanimously turned down a special use permit for concert promoter Merry Noonan. Noonan wants to start having concerts on farmland north of St. Bede Academy near a subdivision.
Several people showed up to last night’s zoning meeting to speak in opposition of Noonan’s proposal. A petition against the special use also was turned in.
The Dalzell Village Board meets tonight and is expected to take up the concert issue.
I attended the meeting last evening and I applaud the board and the citizens for standing together and doing what is best for their community. The meeting was extemeley organized, very professional and quite informative for even a Peru resident.
We in Peru definitely should be concerned with events of this magnitude and the safety of our community and the liability on City property.
Kristy
I smell jealousy here big time. Noonan has the guts to do concerts and give some money to charities and many get their panties in a bunch. What could be wrong with allowing one or two concerts and if there is trouble or problems then shut the door on her.
One night of noise and the board goes balistic. I guess Dalzell doesn't allow motorcyles because they make more noise than a band. This blog wants more activities for the area but slams Noonan when she wants to provide some. Stop the jealousy and nitpicking.
3:11 pm
I want stats on the makeup of the concert goers. That is what everyone needs to see to justify the trouble the city has already had to go through.
This is not just a piece of property owned by the city but an airport that has many different state and federal boards involved. It wouldn't be so funny if they found a problem and cut off funding.
To bad the city of Peru doesn't put its citizens as a whole , first! Maybe we can get the board of Dalzell to teach our one minded council how to run a town ...
MANY departments and programs receive FEDERAL grant money including Police and Fire, which according to this blog, are more corrupt and inept than any in the area. I'm failing to see how you think that utilizing a public space for a public purpose will cut off federal funding? Just because it's a private business that is hosting the event doesn't mean that it's wrong. NO ONE puts on a concert for free.
6:54 PM
The city cannot support the airport without the federal and state funding, the other departments are departments the city cannot function without and are required by law.
Airports are not necessary......
Lois, I wholeheartedly agree with that point, however, I still fail to understand the rationale for your earlier statement. If the city were to regularly allow activities of this type take place, for private benefit, I could see Peru placing future grant opportunities at risk. That's not the case here. This is a public event, for a charitable cause. The city should be reimbursed for all expenses related to the event, in my opinion, and in the future this process should be conducted much more honestly and openly than our Mayor has done this deal. Still, I haven't seen or heard anything that would be grounds for the Feds to cancel any future grants.
Why do Peru politicians jump at every idea that confronts them with a immediate yes and than stop and think? Come on people it would make it much easier on all if you would think and than express your opinion.
The dog-sled pull should have been lesson enough!
9:40 PM
Actually the contract has not been signed yet by Ms Noonan and I believe she will be getting a bill for all expenses so far incurred.
This is something that should have been talked about openly from the beginning and it was not and finally some of the information is leaking out because it was not discussed and I am told that many people have foia requests made to the clerks office for concert information.
We as a city have more important things to discuss than the concert and we should not have to spend so much time getting all the dots lined up in the proper order.
Ms Noonan really needs to get some property of her own and get all the details taken care of and she can have concerts every month at her convenience.
Lois please post the August 24, 2011 info I sent you.
Kristy
Lois your 12:15 comment is really off. Ms. Noonan should get her own property and host her own concerts? Really? Because that is how they do it everywhere else, right? Other cities - progressive communities - use public grounds to host these types of events all of the time.
I am one of MANY who APPLAUD the city of Peru for being willing to host these types of events, bring some culture and interest and also bring people to our community. Why do you think big cities do everything they can to get you to come there and spend your money. The public foots part of the bill. The promoter makes some money. The community gets a pretty cool concert, if they choose to attend.
We like people coming here! It is one event! I am part of the silent majority who support these types of things, and only come to the blog to be entertained.
10:46AM
I'm curious as to what other airport you know of that hosts this type of concet?
Can you name another Illinois city that does host an event like this, except for our county fairs. Bureau county will be hosting a concert this summer and their venue is an appropriate location. Mendota does that also at the fairgrounds. Perhaps Ms Noonan should try for the fairgrounds for a concert.
Anon 10:46 You claim progressivecities use public grounds to host concerts all the time? Are they directly hosting the concert or are they allowing a promoter to host them on city owned propery? Could this be property of private ownership on which the concert is held within a city?
Could you submit some examples of the cities by name that allow a private business person to host a concert on government property for .008% or less. If you have their phone number please include, as I am going to call them for verification.
Anon 10:46
You are the perfect role model for the expression "Children should be seen and not heard"!
So 12:43 because I have a different opinion I'm a child that should be seen and not heard. What did I say that is so offensive. I thought this blog was all about expressing opinions.
All I was trying to say is that there are many people who are excited about the concerts, appreciate the effort the promoter.
12:35, where would you like to begin. There is this new thing called google. Type in the words concerts and park and see what you find. Many cities build their entire summer around concerts in their parks usually in a series. Milwaukee has a schedule of hundreds of concerts at countless parks. Chicago is pretty much a concert at Grant Park the entire summer. If you don't believe me I have one word for you: Lollapalooza. How about Blues Fest? Do you even want me to get started with Central Park?
I am neutral on the airport and that is not what I was promoting. Like many I just want the concert every year in Peru.
If you want to get technical, public festivals, which take place on public roadways and in public parks and provide NO benefit to the community other than entertainment, are not all that dissimilar from this event. The fact that this event is taking place on excess ground at an airport is pointless. You act as if it's taking place on the runway of O'hare or Midway. Just how many planes land at our airport anyway? This event will draw many people to the area, bring in tax revenue, revenue off of ticket sales, provide entertainment, and a donation to a worthy cause as a cavieat. If the City is going to be reimbursed for all expenses incurred, the only complaining that anyone has to do is the fact that this wasn't an open process from the beginning as it should've been.
Anon 3:11 You may be answering someones questions but I can assure you that you are not answering 12:35's. This is not a government sponsored function being held on government property, it is a private investors concert being held on government property in which the government is utilizing taxpayers funds at a financial loss. either you don't understand finance and economics or you are not a citizen of Peru, or just maybe you are Ms. Noonan.
4:52pm
This is not excess ground at the airport, it was and will continue to be income producing land which due to the decision to let MS Noonan hold a financially profitable concert (to her) at the airport will not be providing the city extra cash. Not only that but we have to pay the farmers for the fertilizer they put on the land last fall and we had to pay $4000 for grass seed so Ms Noonan would have a place to allow cars to park.
I don't think you can find another city that found it necessary to go through all that extra "nonsense"
to allow a private promoter to put on a concert.
If the city is being reimbursed for this "nonsense" as you say, what's the big deal? If the city isn't, its another failure of our city leadership. Again, I'm still waiting for you to produce one shred of evidence that supports your position that holding this concert on excess (not part of the daily operations) ground, in a public space, for a public purpose? Sure she's going to make some money on it. Last time I checked, she wasn't a non profit.
8:18 PM
I have answered you once about the cost to the city.
5:05: I can assure you that I did answer, but I will try to explain it better for you. Many concerts and countless other public events in other cities are, in fact, sponsored by private entities and promoters. I'm certain those cities do a better job of recouping some of their upfront costs but the theory is as 4:52 stated.
Chicago does not have dozens of privately promoted (and profitable) events on public grounds (Grant Park for example) as a service to its citizens. They do it so we will go there and spend our money. And we do. The problem is you cannot quantify what is spent or how much revenue is generated.
Have you ever heard of a city spending public tax dollars on a new stadium for a professional team that is owned 100 percent by a wealthy, private sector individual or corporation? It happens all of the time! Why? DUH!
Actually I won't bore you with my background in economics and how the private sector actually works, but it is clear that you and others on here who make the same sorry points over and over do not understand. No offense but when you are counting the cost of grass seed, it shows you can add. When you understand investment, return, economic growth, public and private sector cooperation and how municipalities generate tax revenue then you might be getting on the right track.
You can disagree, but it is an absolute fact that this type of event is considered an economic engine in larger cities. Kid Rock will play somewhere. Wherever he plays, there will be an economic benefit. Cities use tax dollars to build stadiums. Private investors win and the city usually also wins in the long run.
I'm not Mrs. Noonan and I don't know her but I can assure you I have an understanding of economics that far exceeds yours. I just get frustrated when people cannot see the big picture. Disagree with me, disagree with the city, but when it comes to economics I can assure you I am not the one in need of a lesson.
4:52 & 7:49
Please forgive my lack of intelligence in economics; I am just your average cleaning lady.
Please explain how tax revenue is determined when operating on cash basis system? No ticket vouchers only cash-cash for food, for alcohol, for beverages, etc. How does someone generate accurate tax revenue IF they can not quantify sales revenue?
Kristy
I wonder if Noonan ever talked to whoever had concerts at Silver Slipper in Ottawa. They had big name performers there a few years ago. Maybe she should go to Ottawa! She probably wouldn't because of all the extra money from liquor sales she wouldn't be able to profit from personally.
Noonan's is also profiting from sales of tickets sold at her restruant. People are drinking and eating when they go there to purchase tickets. She is no dummy.
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