Sunday, March 31, 2013
Working Together for a Better Peru
Anonymous said...(excerpts from a post under Perez Expenses IML
Let's develop a plan and come together as a community and get rid of Harl.
as much as I hate to say this since I was going to vote for Baker, I can not allow myself to vote for someone that sounded disorganized and out of tune. I want my children to live in a community that offers more opportunity than I had and one which they can be proud of. For those voters that are in my shoes that were going to vote for Baker, lets vote for one man
This will give us a better chance to get rid of Harl, which IS the goal.
Operation Get Harl Out Of Office!!!
Perhaps the poster will come back and explain that pro-Hart, pro-Giordano, pro-Harl sentence which I deleted at least until I get clarification. Please get back to us on what you meant. Reply has been made @ 6:25 PM
This post came in from an anonymous poster with a request that I happen to agree with and have discussed with friends and associates. Mayor Harl does not understand the residents of this city or the best way to be a Mayor for this city. The associations at city hall need to be changed because they are not good in the long run as it is currently being run by special interests and I will use the BB gun club as one small example and the results of this will be felt for a long time and all is not out yet.
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That was a hard read. You may want to clean that up. I find myself in the same position as the blogger. I will no longer be voting for Baker based on what I heard. I was thinking Giordano, but after reading some skepticism in Giordano's past from this blog I am leaning towards Hart. I do not want voters to make the same mistake they did 4 years ago and I am unwilling to cast my vote for someone I think is not up for the task at hand. So after talking amongst my peers and learning about Hart and Giordano, for me it's Hart. I have yet to have found any wrongdoing or heard of any negative comments about him as a person.
And I believe that is what we need 12:09 a good person who cares about the city and the people who live here.
I think the comment should read not allow any pro-Baker comments not pro-Hart.
to: It's Pretty Sad" Which I did not post. Your cannot criticize one candidate for not giving an answer here on the blog until the other 3 are expected to do the same. I have said before the email and phone are listed on the upper left for Mike Hart, call him and you will get your answers.
What has turned me against the present mayor is his arrogance and disrespect for those who worked hard to get him elected not once, but twice. I also don't like the fact that he's using appointed officials to promote his campaign. Also, if you listen to one of his many radio campaigns, he himself announces that he is the "best choice". I don't believe one should pat oneself on the back. I, for one, believed him 4 years ago, but he has failed to do what he promised. How can we believe him now?
Voters of Peru: Please read Brian Foster's blog entitled "What kind of mayor do you want?" His web-site is "perupages.blogspot.com" can be clicked on from the peru town forum left hand column. PLEASE READ!
What have we come to in Peru? It now appears that we know who we are not voting for before knowing who we are voting for. Why are we in a negative situation such as this with one of our greatest rights the right to vote.
During the last election term limitation was a hot topic which was soon forgotten after the election.
In future Peru should adopt a primary which reduces the number of candidates to two unless one person gets a set amount of votes such as more than 50% for four candidates or 60% for three candidates. The last election, if necessary, would be between the two candidates who recieve the most votes. If there are only two candidates only one election would be necessary.
This method is used in many other towns as it stops much political manuevring but is hard to implement as it takes away the advantage of being the incumbent entering the vote. Narrowing the election down to two is much more efficient than three, four or more.
Anon 9:24 Fully agree with you. Everything Scott was against four years ago he is now guilty of doing.
Just interviewed the president of the Mclean County League of Women Voters. Very educational. It will air tomorrow during the 5 o'clock Show.
Posted by Jennifer Nagle WLPO newscaster on FB and blogged here by Lois
Sure it will be an interesting interview and you might want to make a point to listen.
Question: What is Civil Defense director? Is that a appointed position? How much does that position get paid? Noticed that position. HART FOR MAYOR!
I do not understand how a person who has been elected Mayor for forty four years (11 terms) and in tem minutes on the radio becomes non electable simply because the public has discovered he never has been a good public speaker. In fact he is pretty bad but stilll is a hell of a manager.
In the approximately ten minutes the incumbent was on he proved to be a adequate speaker at his best but I in casting my vote will consider who is capable of and has proven to get the job done.
I will consider taxes and utilities but most of all I think Peru seemed to be more positive, and looking to the future under Baker than it has with Harl as Mayor. Hart must become more agressive these last days to be elected.
How will the questions be chosen that the candidates will be asked?
Who will submit them and who will ask them?
If a person, such as myself believes they have a good question how will they get it presented?
Is the library going to be big enough to accomodate the crowd. Four years ago it was just big enough. Peru has a huge city hall why isn't it being held there?
If not in the Rom Wren Room why not in the basement? It has elevators.
11:38 You would then have to get permission from the bb gun club
11:27 You must be related to Baker or a campaign helper. Baker could NOT keep his attention on what was going on at meetings 4 years ago! He surely hasn't improved since then I am sure. What was on the radio is what it is. He should swallow his ego and step aside. He had his day and just let it go at that.
@11:27 Are you really serious? Spinning that interview as Baker being a bad speaker? It had nothing to do with Dons speeaking ability, It was his mental stability that came across as very poor, it had to do with how he came across to listeners, Don came across as having mental stability issues, he was either under the influence or mentally incapable of following a simple task of answering simple questions. Don lost supporters and I'm one. Remember the corner residence on shooting park road and West St? There were two Baker signs there. Key word was "Were." Many people heard the instability of that interview. Since you may be an insider of Don's please convince him to pull out and put his support behind someone else.
again people living in the past if they think electing baker would put everyone back the way it was cheap living in our city, thats why we have the issues today!! we were selling at a loss then and sooner or later the piper needs to get paid, can't just play the shell game anymore. baker had his hay day and should have addressed issues back then but didn't because you felt all warm and fuzzy so why would anyone think he would/could fix them now. theres a new train coming to town and i'm getting on it
Just read Hylla's ad in today's NT. He states that Harl will listen to others! HA, what a joke these two are. I encourage everybody to not vote for Hylla even though he is running opposed. He tells you what you want to hear, and is very slick speaking, but he is a very mean man. Be very careful dealing with him.
are you really? counting on the bb gun club as small example of Harl not understanding the residents of peru? really? this is all your going on? re-election is certain.
Does anyone think that Peru has one good candidate in the race?
Many after hearing the radio session are no longer in favor of Mayor Baker, no one that you speak to is voting for Jim G., everyone that has had close political relationships with the present mayor express his heartless betrayals and his unkept campaign promises.
Presently there is only one person who can defeat Harl and if that is your goal, to vote for Mike Hart is the answer. Personally I will vote for Mike because I as many, many others was a strong supporter of his honor four years ago and following his four year term know of his failures. I also know that Mike will listen to people. Yes it is hard to have thrown four years aweay but its alot better than throwing eight years away. Vote for Mike Hart on April 9th. The reason you don't hear as much about Mike as you do Harl is that he is not the type of person to use you and me to build up a personal war chest of $30,000 to campaign with and who knows what after the elections.
Mayor Harl stated in tonights paper that it is good business to review appointments to departments and
commissions upon a new term, but not a focus point. Etc.. In a paper I just read today. Are you kidding me? That should definitely be a focus point! He will not get votes with that attitude. It's bad business to accept campaign money from those who a mayor appointed to or for a position. Mr. Mike Hart for mayor. HART FOR MAYOR!
Opened tonites daily disappointment and see a add by Hylla indoeseing harl for mayor . Sorry i had to go throw up . i use to talk to this guy but i guess so much bullshit is enough .
I see Mr. bleck has his right hand man whittington back cutting grace some high school kidd could do. Hope the new mayor cleans house in the spw and save Peru and tax payers from paying high money to these people who already have pensions from other jobs .
MIKE HART FOR MAYOR OF PERU !!!!!!!!!
I voted for Don Baker in the last mayoral election with NO regrets. My husband, daughter and son in-law sat in the livingroom listening to the WLPO radio forum. Knowing Don and all of the wonderful things he's done for Peru during his term was comfortable for us and Peru seemed to have structure and prosperity. Although we've never paid attention to city politics but during election time we voted for comfort and what seemed to work.
We did not start paying attention to politics until we were told about this blogging site over a year ago when we were hoping Mr.Perez was going to get the fireworks mess moved from waterstreet. ( Perez for Mayor )
During the radio interview we sat flabbergasted listening to Don. Before the interview we stood proud letting friends and family know our support was still behind Don.
It was clear, yet sad, very sad to hear the mental decline coming from Don. A city leader needs to be sharp and able to answer basic questions without hesitation. Don was to dependent on his notes and was to lost without them. Don must step back.
We decided to move our support to Mike Hart. However we will be at the next forum and that may change but for now we are convinced Hart is the best candidate.
Current- Mayor Harl must be removed from office!!
Why would anyone vote for a candidate with no experience or qualifications to hold public office? Do you remember what happened in last election when you picked such a candidate?
Maybe there should be a blog titled: Appointments by Mayor Harl for department heads and on committees. That way people can again be informed closer to the election as to what has and hasn't worked for the benefit of taxpayers and citizens in Peru. THIS WOULD BE INTERESTING INFORMATION TO READ, AND ALSO WILL REFRESH PEOPLES MEMORIES.
one thing about mike is he may not have the answer you request right now but he will get it for you and like all of us he does have a life but he will get it to you, he will not forget about it. mike hart is you, he's not running for the limelight it's because he is fed up with the B.S.. this man knows the ins and outs on how things are and should be. yeah he's a nobody in many eyes but just talk to him and he will enlighten you, thats why the"pro's" are worried about him. he won't dazzle you with B.S. and he will get the job done and our council will have to step up to the plate and do their jobs as well, you won't go wrong voting for hart. remember, do you want a flashy car or a dependable one it's your choice. i'm voting for reliable.
4:51 PM
No one is born with experience and everyone has to get it somewhere and some people perform well because their life experiences have provided them with the tools necessary to do so. Serving in prior elective office does not give a guarantee that the next time you serve will be just as good than the previous time. I realize you are comparing Baker with Hart. Mr Hart at this time probably because of the way he has spent so much time observing and studying the city at this time and also getting information about the past administrations is very well qualified to serve as mayor. He has the necessary life skills to do the job.
for 4:51 mike hart is not without knowledge, he knows more than our present council does and he means to make changes, he knows what the rodeo is all about and like a good poker player he's not tipping his hand yet
And, 5:09, I'm voting for a people candidate. Someone who will listen and not belittle. Someone who treats everyone equally. I'm too am voting for Mike Hart.
4:27 I fully agree with you. But I would really like to address Your comment about alderman Perez,
first it is a bit pre-mature. In my opinion the alderman could be the answer to the future of Peru. I've known Rod for about 10 years and don't think he would have been ready for this election. I believe Rod has much more to learn about city politics. Many of us figured his aggressive approach was because he intended on a 2013 mayoral run. He proved us wrong. I follow him closely on social media and he seems to have a strong fan base, which I think it has a large part to do with his prom program and his community involvement, I also strongly believe the mayor and other officials have observed the power behind that prom program lifting Rod above the rest so their intention was to dissolve that. If Mayor Scott Harl wins re-election it's going to take four years to prepare a candidate for the next election.
Meaning-- " Convince Alderman Perez to run if Harl wins " I've also decided to get behind Mike Hart instead of Baker. ( sorry Don )
Lois I am the original author of the post. I was unaware I had written such an error and I apologize for that. What I was trying to get out of that was that I am sure there are some voters like me that went into the election wanting to vote for Baker. However with Bakers poor showing during the debate it is difficult to cast my vote for him. However, I DO NOT want to see Harl elected another 4 years. So I would like to see voters that are in the same shoes as I to pull together to cast are vote for either Giordano or Hart. Being that I have heard somewhat of a questionable past of Giordano I am leaning towards Hart. I would be comfortable casting my vote for Hart as long as a good number of us come to some type of consensus of who to cast are vote for to better the odds of taking out Harl. I hope that makes sense and if you need further clarification, please ask. Thank you.
6:25 PM
I didn't catch it last when I posted your comment, it was late and then this morning someone pointed it out. So glad you clarified your position and that is what I suspected you meant. Thanks so much for adding to this conversation.
I believe Alderman Perez started the OP program for good reasons and of course not to be put on a pedestal. What have other alderman done? For our adolesents, families and young kids? Other then Alderman Mayzak's involvement with Raising of monies for a new
pool. Wait, I forgot a bb gun club. Wow! Now, speaking of OP and the donation that OP was suppose to get from FD/car club that I read is still unresolved by Alderman Perez and Fire Chief Jeff King. Why not resolved? That was brought to our attention 6 weeks ago. Not like you need a act of congress for resolution on this. Something smells fishy here.
For this. Wondering if the upcoming election has anything to do with this donation being held back.
I am also in the same position as previous bloggers. I was all for Baker to take back the position. Listening to that debate last week I can't vote for someone I don't think is all there. My vote will be going to HarT.
Lois once again this is the author of the original post. I was hoping to see no pro-Baker posts. Strictly a forum for us that WERE pro-Baker but are at crosshairs on who to vote for in order to get Harl out of office. Sorry for all the confusion, but I am glad to see people are in the same shoes as I. I would rather not hear the persuasion to come back to Baker for it has come time to move on from the past due to his current mental state. Don you have lead us for 44 years as Mayor and have done a remarkable job, but it's time to step aside.
@6:55 I'm not sure how Lois feels about this but I think your request is to far out there. Not sure how an administrator of a blog could fulfill your request. Reading through these posts I'm not sure she could've posted any of them. If I spent time typing out my opinions and thoughts on why I made a certain choice in a candidate then find Lois never posted it I'd be upset. For her to properly place certain posts under the correct posting would be impossible besides I don't have time to go surfing to see where she placed my post. I couldn't just post: " I'm voting for Hart" without my reasoning behind it, which I did above.
7:50 PM
When you make a posting and submit it, it is automatically put under the topic in which you wrote it out. I don't move posts about from topic to topic, that is out of my control.
On a few occasions I have done a copy and paste if requested by someone I know and they want it put under a new topic I have just posted. I would not have time to do much of that.
Baker's out, Giordano was never in, and if you want to get rid of Harl, you must vote for Hart!!
(X) Mike Hart for Mayor
To the author of the orginal post, I understand what you are trying to accomplish and from responses of most the choice has been made in favor of Mike Hart.
Unless there is a drastic change by any candidate I also will be voting for Mike. Two reasons I am voting for Mike are that like you I want to see Harl defeated and most of all I believe Mike is presently the best candidate.
Harl s' methods, a $30,000+ war chest, involvement of political parties in small town politics, parading the entire country for self gain are not the methods which have or will ever be the type of leadership that the citizens of Peru understand.
Whatever Harl has learned in Chicago or in Washington D.C. he did not learn that it would not apply in the town he was elected Mayor of in 2009. He forgot the people of Peru the night he broke the 4-4 tie and raised the sales tax. This should have gone to a referendum. Instead it will forever be known as the Harl Tax as the intersection at 38th and Venture Drive will be known as the former Mayor Scott Harl Super Intersection once Mike Hart gets a opportunity to have it reenginered. Maybe a different Mayor will respect the neighborhood of 28th street and do the proper thing with pickle ball -relocate it to a jar.
I could go on and on but so could most others. This is the first and only time in my life that sadly I am making my decision on who to vote for because of the negative elimination of a incumbent. On April 9, 2d Ward remember to retain Sherry Mayszak and 4th ward give Steve a well deserved opportunity to express his abilities as a alderman for the next four years. You will find him to be his own man with the knowledge that this council needs. Steve has attended more city council meetings than all of the aldermen have combined except for the two old timers. He also has expertise in water treatment and streets and public works. These are the big money items and it is time the council has someone on it that understand them.
What is the cost of this coming Wednesday night council meeting?
Why is there a city council meeting this Wednesday there is absolutely NOTHING listed on the agenda sheet.
How do you have a meeting without anything to discuss?
Is there a meeting next Monday?
Same position as some of you and it looks like Hart it will be for me. We can not afford another four years with Harl as mayor.
There's a meeting every week whether there's something to discuss or not. Even if a meeting was eliminated, the aldermen would receive the same pay. The mayor had talked about cutting the number of meetings in half but said he would pay the aldermen the same wages.
Normal business practice for Mayor Harl. Half the work for the same amount of pay. Reminds one of something better than four hours pay for show up time. This is the kind of thinking Peru should not breed in its government policies.
Anon 9:10 And has this cost cutting procedure been instituted in the Harl Term?
The unaccountability which the city employees have in regards to a lack of a time clock are the fault of the present mayor. If someone was brazen enough to misplace a tangible item of the cities which should cost him his job and all benefits and legal proceedings how do you believe intangible items such as filling out your own time sheet without a time clock have been addressed?
All labor hours cannot be treated as "IN KIND".
Is it a surprise that the comments are limited to the endorsements of a few candidates? Those endorsements at best only knock the candidates that are in the oppostion, never what the candidate can offer to the voters.
Mayor Harl in one of your or Treasurer Hyllas political ads would yo please explain the difference between the procedures of "in kind" and cheating on "time and material".
I am sure that neither are similar to the Rbobin Hood Method of stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
ALL I CAN SAY IS LOIS, YOU BACKED HARL,AT THE BEGINNING, UNTIL HE DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS EVERY WEEK. SOMETIMES THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS GOING ON , LIKE BALANCEING A BUDGET. GET BLACK TOP LAYED DOWN. MORE IMPORTANT THAN SILLY QUESTIONS, THAT YOU COULD ASK. SOMETIMES I THINK YOU TRY TO LOOK FOR THINGS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, THAT AREN'T REALLY IMPORTANT. GO HARL!
6:01 PM
I wrote a long reply to your post and then reread your post and decided you would not understand, so I deleted it all.
Questions every week?
Balancing budgets at council meetings?
Since you like to lay blacktop, you must be a member of the street department. Thanks for your comment.
6:01 In case you have forgotten from your grade school days, no question is ever silly! And no need to shout all the time in your capital letters, you give yourself away. we all know who you are. The mayor has plenty of time and help to balance his budget and to hire a company to lay black top. Maybe he should have been concerned about the silly questions, they could cost him the election.
no... probably a member of local 150.
Anon 6:01 GO HARL! Right on, this is exactly what everyone is saying, GO HARL! The further the better! Finally Anon 6:01 after three years and 51 weeks all sides agree. GO HARL!
8:04 I agree with you and so do a lot of others! This jerk has to go. No common sense, just look at the venture drive fiasco! Harl doesn't care about business. Just look at all that have left just in the last 4 years since he was elected! He doesn't try to bring in factories. Laying blacktop isn't the only thing that makes a city, but the way things are being run it will soon be the only job in town. As far as I am concerned, GOODBY HARL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You people better watch how you
word your post & use peoples names, without permission. You may have an Attorney at your door.
Via the Bleck comment.
9:16 What comment are you referring to?
@8:04- YOU CONVEINENTLY FORGOT TO MENTION 52+ CLOSED SESSIONS AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, YES 52+ DURING HARLS TIME! THATS CRAZY AND GIVES TAXPAYERS MORE OF A REASON TO QUESTION. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HART FOR MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!!HART FOR MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!'
Laughing about Peru road improvements and the sign put up with Harls name on them. Who paid for sign and labor into making them and putting them up. Drive around town, feel the disrepair. WHERE ARE THE ARROWS TO GO STRAIGHT OR LEFT TURN LANE? EXAMPLE: SHOOTING PARK ROAD, WENZEL AND 251, GOING INTO MALL ON SEARS SIDE. I can barely see direction arrows on roads. SAD, BUT TRUE.
This is 11:09- was it 52+ or 32+ closed sessions? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks!
@9:16 Freedom of Speech! I haven't read anywhere on this blog defaming Bleck. I'm a city employee and only read facts about my Supervisor on this blog. An "Attorney" would have to prove false allegations which defame the name being used with the intent to ruin a reputation using false accusations.
(x) Baker
Saw Hart and Giordano both had signs in La Salle today. I can't vote for anyone that doesn't know where Peru ends and La Salle begins.
Go Harl, NONE of the other candidates have any platform, look at " fixing an intersection? Researching a new pool?? Wow that should take a month, then what??? Oh wait, this blog should keep him occupied!!! LMFAO
12:57:PM
Your type of belief went away with the Baker administration but then I do see you will vote for him.
Enough of the rah rah Peru. We have a school called LaSalle Peru Twp H.S. and we send our children or have sent them to school there, no matter where you live La Salle Peru,Utica or Dimmick, you probably support their football, basketball and all the other sports or arts program. Our police and fire departments work hand in hand during times of need. Many of us shop in Peru and La Salle and even Spring Valley or Ottawa. Boundaries don't matter to many of us and it is more than past time to look past them. I know where the Hart sign is and it is very visible from Peru, you don't even need to go to La Salle to observe it.
Sometimes I think Peru would have a smaller population with less business if we were a stand alone town. It is because of the combined population that Peru does as well as they do. I have lived in Peru all my life and think it is a good place to live but never to the point that I look down at LaSalle because just like most people believe it is also a good place to live but remember to thank all those La Salle shoppers for contributing with the sales taxes they spend in Peru.
12:58Pm
Good timing, I just got my Harl Platform in the mail today and I love the last of 4 comments, T- Transparency.
LOL What a joke!!!
"S". Street & Sewer Program! Really? Read 11:09's blog. And not to mention waterstreet and all other streets.
Anon 11:09 The Go Harl was meant to mean get lost! You have been the only blogger to interpret it any other way.
But in less than a week Scott you'll see what I meant.
If my neighbor wanted to borrow my hammer or garden hose i wouldn't have a problem, but good neighbors don't let their dogs take a dump in their neighbors' yard.
What will you do if Hart is elected and does not live up to your expectations!!! I think this time if he wins and fails in office you go down with the ship, certainly you would have no credibility if you turned on Hart as you did Harl. Not that I'm saying you have any credibility, what you call a town forum should just be titled Lois's closed anti Harl forum. Too bad all the angst couldn't be utilized to formulate some solutions??!! The way I see it you just add to the problems.
3:52 PM
I will assume you are addressing your comment not only to me but to all the former Harl supporters who have been insulted and been treated with absolutely no respect. We were used for election purposes and nothing more. So maybe you question could be answered by the mayor who chose to look for new friends who could further advance his career, maybe an attempt at a higher office. I have a long list of former supporters who will support what I have just written.
The only thing really needed in this small populous is 1 mayor and 1 city council. Have 1 big election and let LaSalle-Peru become 1 entity. As stated before the high school is both towns and more. Peru is a big Joke to put it politely. As far as it looks to me it is called LaSalle-Peru for a reason. Mr. Harl you did not help the situation! You had your try and proved not to be worthy of the job.
If a person chooses to vote for a candidate based on their promises and campaign slogan and that person wins, then doesn't fulfill their promises, then of course in the next election they most certainty won't vote for the same
Candidate!!!! HART FOR MAYOR!
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