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The only reason an alderman would oppose having four "at-large" council members would be the fear and anxiety brought on by the knowledge that they would be forced to compete with more candidates from throughout the entire city. And that increases the likelihood that more of those candidates would be more appealing to the voters than a narrow field limited to just one ward of their "base voters" who keep them in office term after term. Force them to campaign city wide and they are at the mercy of a fair fight. That is something many of them will never be able to survive. Most notably Ankiewicz, Waldorf and Potthoff. In short, they are terrified of losing. And they have good reason to be terrified because the more competition, the more likely they will be gone. Sounds like a great idea.
I just read the article on the News Trib web site. I was not surprised to see which aldermen would be against that form of governmnt. " if it's not broke don't fix it"? Come on already! This is the mentality that has haunted Peru for years. Proof of that ignorantse quote made by an alderman surrounds the entire city. Alderman Waldorf should be the poster child of every Broken in this city, all due to that mentality. Because of waiting we now have broken roads,sewers,finances, and a pool. Alderman Bob- my mother Is still waiting for a call back, Alderman Dave W.- you advised my mother to call alderman A. Because you were at work. Now her ward is broke! I would like to be able to tell my mother she can call another alderman such as alderman perez.
The only reason anybody would want to change to this form of representation is to force city wide elections for half the council. This in turn raises the COST of running for office. Therefore, more money will need to be reaised to run for these offices. Guess where the money comes from. All you have to do is look at the Harl fund and you'll see where the money comes from. Additionally, there could be a concentration of power in certain parts of the city. I don't think this is a good idea.
The only reason some would oppose the current structure is because they would have to run as a representative of the area they live. Simply Perez would never run against Radtke because of the fact that he would never win in a contested contest. That is why he supports 4 at large councilmen. Its much easier to win a seat when you have 4 spots as compared to 1 spot that represents the area that you serve. It also becomes a money issue with candidates that don't have the means to run a city wide election, it becomes about $$$. But if the candidate has the ability to have all those big paid for union signs all over town, that increases there chance of winning. In elections of vote for the 3,4,5 candidates on the ballots, you seldom have any issues or platforms. Its about signs. Its that what you want to represent Peru?
Good point Lois. Why should the aldermen decide our future. For once, let the people speak. It would be nice if there were a general public meeting where citizens could voice their opinions on this topic. I believe the topic is supposed to be on next Wednesday's agenda (April 4th). Maybe some more citizens could attend the meeting and listen to what their aldermen have to say on the topic. It might give them a better idea where their particular representatives stand on certain issues that affect the general public. With such comments as have already been expressed by certain aldermen it might prove to be an interesting discussion.
Have you read the new sign ordinance? There have been changes.
I believe that running for alderman is more an expenditure of yourself. Meaning you take the time to go out and meet people and that is what wins them over and gets the votes. Signs can be annoying.
I believe that is how Ald. Radtke and Ald. Perez won there seats.
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Lois, Both of them worked hard and won their seats. That is why its important that your area and you have a vote on who represents you. It would be very easy to get 4 individuals from one area of town to represent the entire city. That is why Chicago and many other cities had the redistrict process to get equal representation.
People seem to be forgetting that each ward would still have 1 alderman to take care of the few issues that arise in a ward. Most issues are city wide problems and need attention from a specific committee or maybe several committees Actually having aldermen at large would force those individuals to learn more about the entire city and not be stuck with the my ward mentality. These at large aldermen would still be serving on a committee involving the entire city. There have been many times through the years when I have reached out to an aldermen in a ward outside the first and I still do. Having an at large alderman just means that I would not be going to an individual in another ward but one who was elected to be available to any resident regardless of where they lived.
Recently Peru has started to reach out for government overkill. One wild scheme after another. A ambulance service in which the employees were performing a exceptional service to the city dissected and bisected and left in doubt of why? A idea to completely uproot a working government body without one outstanding reason and change to a at large representation which possibly enables those with financial access greater opportunity to be elected. It surely eliminates the financially poor from being a representative, or being represented as well as they are today. The thought alone that all segments of the city cannot afford to run makes those in office more willing to ignore the poor. If you are looking to cause change look for issues which need to be changed. In the meantime please conduct business which you have been elected to conduct.
Please, this is not an issue about rich versus poor. This is about improving and reaching out for more qualified people to serve on the council. We may very well run into issues yet unseen by many when the redistricting takes place. I shouldn't have said unseen, most people that viewed the maps saw the potential aldermanic issues but don't feel like they have much choice.
Does this have anything to do with the blog post concerning the water. The only explaination I can find is that somebody put something in the water and caused some poeple to lose their intelligence. Help me understand this. Peru changed the Ward boundaries based on population and one new alderman ended up outside of his ward. This will force another new alderman to run agains him. Some people don't like this idea so we need to change the fabric of our governement to suite the current situation. This raises the financial bar to run for council forcing potential candidates to get help from donations - such as our the donations the mayor collects. Therefore - half of the council plus the mayor need to raise funds from outside sources. Yup - sounds like an effing great idea to me.
Is there a job description on file as to the duties that aldermen assume once elected? With the two we have had in the past and now have (one new), I see no difference as they only get out in their "neighborhood" when an election is forthcoming. It's been our experience that when we notify them about an obvious problem in regard to an ordinance that is being violated, the aldermen just turn it over to the police department.
Have a majority of aldermen from one ward and see which ward benefits. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!Keep 2 aldermen per ward ----Equal and Even!!! Keep things the way they are and settle it in the election. Hopefully with new results.
Thank you, you have just validated my point. There is not that much for an alderman to do for his constituents on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. You tell them, they tell the proper department and it is hopefully taken care of. We now have land phones, cell phones and the capability to take care of those things without an alderman doing it for us. Almost everything an alderman does is to take care of business which is effecting the entire city. It seems that people really don't understand how the city functions. If I have a problem about billing, ordinances, city services, I call the city clerk. If I have a problem with something that I believe is against the law or a violation of an ordinance, I call the police. If I want to make a general complaint about a city service, I will contact my alderman and speak for myself at a council meeting. We are no longer in the horse and buggy days. What is so difficult about that.
ok - then we don't need any aldermen. sounds good to me. Let Harl take care of everything. No sense in even having an election. Lets just do away with the council. afterall - elections are from the horse and buggy days.
We reside north of Schimmer Ford, my parents reside just south of Parkside School. I have tried contacting Alderman Tony Ferrari a year ago and could not find his number.I left a message for Alderman Mike Radke two weeks ago and still waiting for a call back. My parents made one call to their alderman and he picked up. I would like to call someone I can count on. I do not have time to be chasing city officials down. As far as I'm concerned the city should allow this to happen. It sounds to me this could raise more competition amongst city officials. Competition is good. It may keep them on their toes. My family doesnt vote for signs. We vote for who we think will represent us. A bit let down this last election.
So that means the city could have four at large alderman in the same ward, but they would still be at large? Conflict of interest? The second wrard could only hope to get Radtke instead of Perez!
One thing for sure,We can sure tell when cages get rattled-- The snakes start slinging venom around. ANON 12:23 I do believe you hit it right on! If this gets taken to a vote we will all see come next Tuesday's headlines that 4 aldermen voted against the new alderman at large idea.I would predict the four senior aldermen would vote NO. They are simply afraid of having to go up against the four newly seated, or anyone else that would step up to the plate.They would know their term is over.Out with the old in with the new. Like the above poster stated:The council should fix it before it completely breaks. If city officials are reading this--- VOTE YES, SO WE THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE CHOICE!! YES to referendum.
Peru alderman and mayor suggest have aldermen at-large.
WHY?
Truthfully would someone comment to the real reason or reasons? Anyone who studied this at-large concept please submit your feelings about it. Anyone who has lived where this at-large concept is utilized please share your experiences with a comment to the blog.
Thank you for the link which prompted me to look further into the ar large concept in city government in Illinois. I knew that from previous research that some cities had one or two at large aldermen and I have always that was a smart thing to do. Looking further along with the city of Norml where 6 council members are elected at large, Peoria elects 5 at large along with those elected in wards, Champaign elects 3 of their members at large, Wheaton has 2 at large and 4 district reps, Naperville has all members elected at large, Elgin has 6 members elected at large and Macomb has 2 at large and 7 from wards. It is a interesting discussion and it would be interesting to hear from a city that has made the change and what are the pluses and what are the minuses. Definitely something to look into further.
WHY is everyone forgetting about alderwoman Mayzack? 8:41 and other posts are not mentioning her. They seem to be wanting to draw lines between Aldermen Radtke and Perez? It seems male chauvinistic to me. Alderwoman Mayzack is alot more stronger than you are giving her credit for. Besides i'm sure alderman Perez will be Mayor by then.He's to aggressive and known in the community to stay as alderman. I would bet alderwoman Mayzack would give both Radtke and Perez a run for the money. Let the campaigning begin!!!!!!
I think that Ald. Radtke might like being an at large alderman instead of choosing to run against either of the current second ward aldermen.(just my thoughts Mike). This is just another reason to look to reform and adding at large aldermen to our city council. After doing some research, I do believe that many of the cities that are moving ahead are doing exactly that. This is something that Peru could do be the leader of in the Valley in forward looking government. You are exactly right, Ald. Mayszak is a strong independent alderwoman and sets an example for many of us.
Government changing the form of government becasue they, the government, are unable to accomplish their goals? Government changing the form of government because one of their own got aced out when the wards changed? Government should only be changed by the people. The council should follow Bloomington's lead - they backed away and decided that if the people thought it was necessary for at-large representation they could circulate a legal petition to get it on the ballot. I agree - the council should not vote on this. If somebody wants this on the ballot they can take the time, get the signatures. Nine people should not decide this.
Because other cities have at large representation is a very weak reason. It would be best to have valid reasoning before changing. To copy cat another does not characterize a leader. Once again the answer appears that Peru is in a battle of new representation vs. old representation. The North against the South was already fought in the 1860's.
every one screams we need change and now they scream we don't need change what gives? why did no one scream when the old mayor was in office? because he let you know what he wanted you to know and that was it, not all the problems this city has is because of the current admn since its been long coming and you never seen it till now. if you are that afraid of change just crawl back under that rock you were hiding under because the sun is way to bright for you, you'll never know how cold the water is till you put your foot in it
@6:44 I am the 8:47 poster. Perhaps you should read it again. As a tax payer of Peru I expect our representatives we elected to handle this. Are you serious?? I'm sure glad you don't represent my district. I have two children not yet in school with another full time job other than a full time mom. Yet you expect me to get petitions signed for a ballot? Sorry but if this is something our represenitivs can do than I expect them to do it!!!!
anon 9:46 your right on! Everytime I see my tax bill or buy groceries I see change. Everytime I read the newspaper I see change like fireworks, ambulance service, more city elected officials, more appointed positions and more needless regulations. I hear about the power seakers that have a elected spot and now take aim at organizations that have been the fiber of Peru. CSO, Little League, Girls softball, Public Pool, and more. Sooner or later we all will and should be afraid of the change thing. Nobody is hiding, we are just paying the bills.
Anon 11:15 I would worry much more about elected officials changing the form of government without representation from the residents. You as a resident should have a vote on what form of government you prefer.
It amazes me that everyone thinks Radtke is such a quick win over a potential election with Perez or Mayszak. Perez & Mayszak are asking questions; the right questions too. They are definitely making people nervous. I supported Radtke once and regret it. Arrogance is too abundant in his style. I want people to ask questions, not tell people to shut up. As for Waldorf's comment in the paper, he just confirms his fear of change. No leadership, just a poorly qualified follower.
To 9:46 This is politics. Like Democrat VS Republican and who holds power. What we have here is "Baker Boys vs Change" it's that simple!! This will continue until the ole regime realizes history "will-not" repeat itself. That regime for some reason thinks "their sabbath" will again rise. Well that can't happen.I see an uprising against anyone that pushes change,if you read through these blogs you will see which aldermen are targets.The ole regime would consider them to be trouble makers,where people like me see them as True Leaders/and change-makers.I'm for once interested in attending Monday's meeting to see the ole yellers growl. I hope the city votes to send that to the people to decide. It's things like this that get us to the polls
Two weeks ago I stated it was time for a change. From 8 elected to 4 elected alderman. I had already started a petition to have a referedum placed on a ballot. Now Alderman Perez has decided to go otherwise. Being on the infrastrcture committee I have learned much about this administration. At first everyone was in favor of not going into more debt. But this failed. The loan has been approved for the program. The alderman on the committee have not been in attendance the last 2 meetings. Showing they have no interest in the infrastructure's ideas or thoughts. They are Perez, Waldorf, Ratke,Lukosus. 2 newbies and 2 old-timers. As far as I am concerned the infrastructure committe is a mouth without a voice.
1. I let it be known to: Mayor Harl, Steve Weberski, and others two months ago I was stepping back from the infrastructure committee after we approved the road project. Which was approved two months ago. I have made it clear several times.."If the committee needs my assistance, I would be more than happy to assist".( I clarified that again with Steve on Tuesday )
2.Petition- If you would like, I can show you proof that the four aldermen at large has been talked about since January, I mentioned to the media back in January this was something I was going to push forward with after the redistricting was approved.If you re-call an earlier post I made a few weeks ago ( Lois could verify ) I mentioned that I had no issues with your petition, for the fact, It's the peoples choice. I also gave details of the "four at large" scenario that has been on the forefront way before the implementation of your petition.
Mike,I appreciate all you and others do! It's citizens like you that I have much respect for.. bringing new ideas and input to the council. I myself have learned allot from your knowledge of engineering and infrastructure.
I just want to make clear, I am not under-minding your efforts of what you are doing, in fact- the more options the people have, the better. I just support- having more representation, and options in the ballot booth is better for the citizens.
Mike, your thoughts of not going into debt were defeated by a vote of 5-4 as far as the infrastructure financing. The loan was approved by a Democrat process, tough luck if you were on the losing side of this issue. Don't blame Ald.Perez! Maybe he doesn't want to waste his time with the committee. He has much more resposibilities like the city budget, fire&Police Dept, business development, resident issues.
Mike, The alderman were only following the lead of Mayor Harl. You were at the meetings and the debt was part of the Mayors plan. Why blame the Alderman. Actually Ald. Waldorf who serves on the infrastructure committee was against the plan and stated that at the infrastructure meetings. Why waste your ideas if the only plan of action is the one of the Mayor? As stated in various blogs the committee looks to have some qualifications. Your approach to blame the stated alderman is misplaced. They are only supporting the Mayor's agenda! Its their role.
@8:47 Really? Im thinking alderman perez has been consistent with his No votes and probably one of the more consistent representatives the city has. Even though I haven't read where he has flip flopped anywhere but again the news doesnt print everything. I see a couple reps that keep moving with change and I find that to be a positive. I served as a committeeman and found myself having an opinion on some issue, then with further research had changed my opinion or vote on a subject. So to a sense, I would think our representatives of our city should be the same way. It can't be their way or no way a good and open minded rep would see things in another light and change their minds from time to time. I have been there for many years ( another town) and have done that many times. It's called open mind. I'm personally impressed with what I have been reading and hearing about perez. and one or two others.
Alderman Perez has always supported the mission of the Infrastructure Committee even though he has not been able to attend all of our meetings. Rodney Perez understands the importance of encouraging and embracing the efforts of citizens who step up to contribute to improve their community, as does Mayor Harl. The same cannot be said of every other alderman in Peru. There are still aldermen who have nothing but contempt for the idea of citizens actively contributing to the discussion, let alone making recommendations on how to improve our community. More and more progressive cities and villages all over the country are beginning to realize what a tremendous asset they have in the people of their own communities. Progressive elected officials actively seek citizen participation in any way they can. In the case of Peru, we have some aldermen who are unable to check their oversized egos at the door. Instead they are threatened by those they consider "outsiders" such as the non-elected members of the Infrastructure Committee. Elected officials who choose to disregard the efforts of citizen volunteers because of their own insecurity and inability or because they don't like a citizen personally have failed to uphold their oath of office. They are stuck in an outdated mind-set that is in fact very broken and in need of some serious fixing asap.
You tell them Rod, you have more important things to do than that there engineering stuff. He spoke with Mayor Harl and Steve Weberski, they approved his changing his mind. What else do you want? He said he has no issues with your petition and he supports more representation? How much clearer can he be!
Steve, Does Ald. Perez really need to report to you? He likes the idea of the committee but quit coming to meetings? He likes Mike's idea of less council members but invented the 4 at large members? He doesn't like the city debt for the infrastructure but likes the idea for a loan? Thats just in the last week.
Anon 2:44 Your comment about Ald. Radtke is confussing and off base. I would much rather prefer him as oppossed to the deer in the headlights approach from my 2nd ward appointees. Bag recycling and city cleanup days....you got to be kidding.
Steve, why such continued distaste for Peru and everything about it? You won the Mayor election and got the control you wanted. You are commended for being a part of the infrastructure committee. And still not happy.
Steve, run for office next year. Sorry we forgot you would have to run against a Mayor appointed Alderman. We all know that wont fly with Scott. Either way your only chance is that of the residents chosing four at large seats. Good Luck. There always is that City Department head job.
Either 11:35 is a master of political Spin, or forgot to take his ADD meds. I didn't see where Alderman Perez stated he agreed with less aldermen. I took it as Perez supported the petitioners Rights and courage to petition. It appeared as tho Perez encouraged more on the ballot paper. I have a huge questions for 11:35. Q. Is your mortgage and vehicles paid in full? Q. Do you like the fact you have the debt of that mortgage and car payment? Q. If your foundation of your home was crumbling and needed mass repairs before the storms hit but didn't have the savings to fix it. Would you be jumping for joy that you had to take out a loan to repair it?
Comment. I would have to bet those of us who don't like debt, have no choice but to seek a loan. When a time of action hits there is no more time to wait until you fill the piggy bank to fix or buy things. I would imagine if the city managed their finances accordingly over the past 30 years the city would be much better off. But now we have members in office that are having to make those hard decisions to borrow so we aren't driving on gravel roads. Please someone correct me if I don't have the facts but I heard Steve was / is a chair-person for the committee to fix our streets. Maybe that is the reason Alderman Perez reported details to Steve? Either way if they were all on the same committee they would all report to each other. Attention Aldrrman Perez, Please keep doing what you are doing. Evil-doers will attack those who stand for something and you Alderman Perez is standing up against the OLD REGIME. They are obviously worked up over you. Reading these spin or hateful postings about you only prove that you are doing what is right.
To 2;13 Great Point! This raises an interest to see who votes No for at large. Not sure why anyone would vote NO it's in the hands of the citizens of Peru whether it happens or not. Any Alderman that would vote No would show pure Errogance that they want government power. Steve would beat Alderman Lukoshis hands down. Go around and ask random people in that ward and ask who their alderman is. See if they ever heard the name Lukoshis? I bet Not. He's the typical Harl Yes man. No talk all YES.
Anon 2:17 Mike's point was why do into debt when you have a alternative program that would not have to be debt leveraged. Most residents in our city would agree that accomplishing the same without debt makes perfect sense. Everybody on the committee reports to everybody else sounds like a support group not a working committee. It looks hypocritical like Mike indicated when you support the work of the committee and then quit. And in the question about debt...most of us would prefer not to be in debt if given the choice. As Mike has indicated, why would you choose debt when you had alternative options? I like the idea of only 4 alderman total, let the residents weed out the nonsense head bobbing rubberstamp members.
To anon 429. There is a management structure for reporting, it isn't just a support group for the infrastructure committee. Mayor harl at the top, committee chairman (not yet appointed) and justin loger as recording secretary
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The only reason an alderman would oppose having four "at-large" council members would be the fear and anxiety brought on by the knowledge that they would be forced to compete with more candidates from throughout the entire city. And that increases the likelihood that more of those candidates would be more appealing to the voters than a narrow field limited to just one ward of their "base voters" who keep them in office term after term. Force them to campaign city wide and they are at the mercy of a fair fight. That is something many of them will never be able to survive. Most notably Ankiewicz, Waldorf and Potthoff.
In short, they are terrified of losing. And they have good reason to be terrified because the more competition, the more likely they will be gone.
Sounds like a great idea.
I just read the article on the News Trib web site. I was not surprised to see which aldermen would be against that form of governmnt. " if it's not broke don't fix it"? Come on already! This is the mentality that has haunted Peru for years. Proof of that ignorantse quote made by an alderman surrounds the entire city. Alderman Waldorf should be the poster child of every Broken in this city, all due to that mentality. Because of waiting we now have broken roads,sewers,finances, and a pool. Alderman Bob- my mother Is still waiting for a call back, Alderman Dave W.- you advised my mother to call alderman A. Because you were at work. Now her ward is broke! I would like to be able to tell my mother she can call another alderman such as alderman perez.
The only reason anybody would want to change to this form of representation is to force city wide elections for half the council. This in turn raises the COST of running for office. Therefore, more money will need to be reaised to run for these offices. Guess where the money comes from. All you have to do is look at the Harl fund and you'll see where the money comes from. Additionally, there could be a concentration of power in certain parts of the city. I don't think this is a good idea.
I believe this SHOULD GO TO REFERENDUM and let the people of Peru decide and not 8 seated aldermen some of whom might lose their position if enacted.
The only reason some would oppose the current structure is because they would have to run as a representative of the area they live. Simply Perez would never run against Radtke because of the fact that he would never win in a contested contest. That is why he supports 4 at large councilmen. Its much easier to win a seat when you have 4 spots as compared to 1 spot that represents the area that you serve. It also becomes a money issue with candidates that don't have the means to run a city wide election, it becomes about $$$. But if the candidate has the ability to have all those big paid for union signs all over town, that increases there chance of winning. In elections of vote for the 3,4,5 candidates on the ballots, you seldom have any issues or platforms. Its about signs. Its that what you want to represent Peru?
Good point Lois. Why should the aldermen decide our future. For once, let the people speak. It would be nice if there were a general public meeting where citizens could voice their opinions on this topic. I believe the topic is supposed to be on next Wednesday's agenda (April 4th). Maybe some more citizens could attend the meeting and listen to what their aldermen have to say on the topic. It might give them a better idea where their particular representatives stand on certain issues that affect the general public. With such comments as have already been expressed by certain aldermen it might prove to be an interesting discussion.
1:41 pm
Have you read the new sign ordinance?
There have been changes.
I believe that running for alderman is more an expenditure of yourself. Meaning you take the time to go out and meet people and that is what wins them over and gets the votes. Signs can be annoying.
I believe that is how Ald. Radtke and Ald. Perez won there seats.
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Lois, Both of them worked hard and won their seats. That is why its important that your area and you have a vote on who represents you. It would be very easy to get 4 individuals from one area of town to represent the entire city. That is why Chicago and many other cities had the redistrict process to get equal representation.
People seem to be forgetting that each ward would still have 1 alderman to take care of the few issues that arise in a ward. Most issues are city wide problems and need attention from a specific committee or maybe several committees Actually having aldermen at large would force those individuals to learn more about the entire city and not be stuck with the my ward mentality. These at large aldermen would still be serving on a committee involving the entire city.
There have been many times through the years when I have reached out to an aldermen in a ward outside the first and I still do. Having an at large alderman just means that I would not be going to an individual in another ward but one who was elected to be available to any resident regardless of where they lived.
Recently Peru has started to reach out for government overkill. One wild scheme after another. A ambulance service in which the employees were performing a exceptional service to the city dissected and bisected and left in doubt of why? A idea to completely uproot a working government body without one outstanding reason and change to a at large representation which possibly enables those with financial access greater opportunity to be elected. It surely eliminates the financially poor from being a representative, or being represented as well as they are today. The thought alone that all segments of the city cannot afford to run makes those in office more willing to ignore the poor.
If you are looking to cause change look for issues which need to be changed. In the meantime please conduct business which you have been elected to conduct.
How about a simple solution. Let the Mayor appoint all 8 positions. That way everybody will be on the same page.
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Please, this is not an issue about rich versus poor. This is about improving and reaching out for more qualified people to serve on the council. We may very well run into issues yet unseen by many when the redistricting takes place. I shouldn't have said unseen, most people that viewed the maps saw the potential aldermanic issues but don't feel like they have much choice.
Does this have anything to do with the blog post concerning the water. The only explaination I can find is that somebody put something in the water and caused some poeple to lose their intelligence.
Help me understand this. Peru changed the Ward boundaries based on population and one new alderman ended up outside of his ward. This will force another new alderman to run agains him. Some people don't like this idea so we need to change the fabric of our governement to suite the current situation. This raises the financial bar to run for council forcing potential candidates to get help from donations - such as our the donations the mayor collects. Therefore - half of the council plus the mayor need to raise funds from outside sources.
Yup - sounds like an effing great idea to me.
Is there a job description on file as to the duties that aldermen assume once elected? With the two we have had in the past and now have (one new), I see no difference as they only get out in their "neighborhood" when an election is forthcoming. It's been our experience that when we notify them about an obvious problem in regard to an ordinance that is being violated, the aldermen just turn it over to the police department.
Have a majority of aldermen from one ward and see which ward benefits. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!Keep 2 aldermen per ward ----Equal and Even!!! Keep things the way they are and settle it in the election. Hopefully with new results.
6:00PM
Thank you, you have just validated my point. There is not that much for an alderman to do for his constituents on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. You tell them, they tell the proper department and it is hopefully taken care of. We now have land phones, cell phones and the capability to take care of those things without an alderman doing it for us.
Almost everything an alderman does is to take care of business which is effecting the entire city. It seems that people really don't understand how the city functions.
If I have a problem about billing, ordinances, city services, I call the city clerk.
If I have a problem with something that I believe is against the law or a violation of an ordinance, I call the police.
If I want to make a general complaint about a city service, I will contact my alderman and speak for myself at a council meeting.
We are no longer in the horse and buggy days. What is so difficult about that.
ok - then we don't need any aldermen. sounds good to me. Let Harl take care of everything. No sense in even having an election. Lets just do away with the council. afterall - elections are from the horse and buggy days.
gee steve i think potthoff beat you didnt he???? get real more waste of money going on here,
We reside north of Schimmer Ford, my parents reside just south of Parkside School. I have tried contacting Alderman Tony Ferrari a year ago and could not find his number.I left a message for Alderman Mike Radke two weeks ago and still waiting for a call back. My parents made one call to their alderman and he picked up. I would like to call someone I can count on. I do not have time to be chasing city officials down. As far as I'm concerned the city should allow this to happen. It sounds to me this could raise more competition amongst city officials. Competition is good. It may keep them on their toes. My family doesnt vote for signs. We vote for who we think will represent us. A bit let down this last election.
All Hail Harl!
All Hail Harl!
"If you must break the law, do it to seize power" Julius Caesar - aka Scott Harl.
So that means the city could have four at large alderman in the same ward, but they would still be at large? Conflict of interest? The second wrard could only hope to get Radtke instead of Perez!
One thing for sure,We can sure tell when cages get rattled-- The snakes start slinging venom around. ANON 12:23 I do believe you hit it right on! If this gets taken to a vote we will all see come next Tuesday's headlines that 4 aldermen voted against the new alderman at large idea.I would predict the four senior aldermen would vote NO. They are simply afraid of having to go up against the four newly seated, or anyone else that would step up to the plate.They would know their term is over.Out with the old in with the new. Like the above poster stated:The council should fix it before it completely breaks. If city officials are reading this--- VOTE YES, SO WE THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE CHOICE!! YES to referendum.
Peru alderman and mayor suggest have aldermen at-large.
WHY?
Truthfully would someone comment to the real reason or reasons?
Anyone who studied this at-large concept please submit your feelings about it.
Anyone who has lived where this at-large concept is utilized please share your experiences with a comment to the blog.
Here's an interesting link from close to home: http://wjbc.com/bloomington-council-picks-new-map-backs-away-from-at-large-seats/
The story mentions the Normal city council is all at-large. Lots of different options, including status quo.
9:07 PM
Thank you for the link which prompted me to look further into the ar large concept in city government in Illinois. I knew that from previous research that some cities had one or two at large aldermen and I have always that was a smart thing to do.
Looking further along with the city of Norml where 6 council members are elected at large, Peoria elects 5 at large along with those elected in wards, Champaign elects 3 of their members at large, Wheaton has 2 at large and 4 district reps, Naperville has all members elected at large, Elgin has 6 members elected at large and Macomb has 2 at large and 7 from wards.
It is a interesting discussion and it would be interesting to hear from a city that has made the change and what are the pluses and what are the minuses.
Definitely something to look into further.
WHY is everyone forgetting about alderwoman Mayzack? 8:41 and other posts are not mentioning her. They seem to be wanting to draw lines between Aldermen Radtke and Perez? It seems male chauvinistic to me.
Alderwoman Mayzack is alot more stronger than you are giving her credit for. Besides i'm sure alderman Perez will be Mayor by then.He's to aggressive and known in the community to stay as alderman.
I would bet alderwoman Mayzack would give both Radtke and Perez a run for the money. Let the campaigning begin!!!!!!
10:36 PM
I think that Ald. Radtke might like being an at large alderman instead of choosing to run against either of the current second ward aldermen.(just my thoughts Mike). This is just another reason to look to reform and adding at large aldermen to our city council. After doing some research, I do believe that many of the cities that are moving ahead are doing exactly that. This is something that Peru could do be the leader of in the Valley in forward looking government.
You are exactly right, Ald. Mayszak is a strong independent alderwoman and sets an example for many of us.
Government changing the form of government becasue they, the government, are unable to accomplish their goals? Government changing the form of government because one of their own got aced out when the wards changed? Government should only be changed by the people. The council should follow Bloomington's lead - they backed away and decided that if the people thought it was necessary for at-large representation they could circulate a legal petition to get it on the ballot. I agree - the council should not vote on this. If somebody wants this on the ballot they can take the time, get the signatures. Nine people should not decide this.
Because other cities have at large representation is a very weak reason. It would be best to have valid reasoning before changing. To copy cat another does not characterize a leader. Once again the answer appears that Peru is in a battle of new representation vs. old representation. The North against the South was already fought in the 1860's.
every one screams we need change and now they scream we don't need change what gives? why did no one scream when the old mayor was in office? because he let you know what he wanted you to know and that was it, not all the problems this city has is because of the current admn since its been long coming and you never seen it till now. if you are that afraid of change just crawl back under that rock you were hiding under because the sun is way to bright for you, you'll never know how cold the water is till you put your foot in it
@6:44 I am the 8:47 poster. Perhaps you should read it again. As a tax payer of Peru I expect our representatives we elected to handle this. Are you serious?? I'm sure glad you don't represent my district. I have two children not yet in school with another full time job other than a full time mom. Yet you expect me to get petitions signed for a ballot? Sorry but if this is something our represenitivs can do than I expect them to do it!!!!
anon 9:46 your right on! Everytime I see my tax bill or buy groceries I see change. Everytime I read the newspaper I see change like fireworks, ambulance service, more city elected officials, more appointed positions and more needless regulations. I hear about the power seakers that have a elected spot and now take aim at organizations that have been the fiber of Peru. CSO, Little League, Girls softball, Public Pool, and more. Sooner or later we all will and should be afraid of the change thing. Nobody is hiding, we are just paying the bills.
Anon 11:15 I would worry much more about elected officials changing the form of government without representation from the residents. You as a resident should have a vote on what form of government you prefer.
It amazes me that everyone thinks Radtke is such a quick win over a potential election with Perez or Mayszak. Perez & Mayszak are asking questions; the right questions too. They are definitely making people nervous. I supported Radtke once and regret it. Arrogance is too abundant in his style. I want people to ask questions, not tell people to shut up. As for Waldorf's comment in the paper, he just confirms his fear of change. No leadership, just a poorly qualified follower.
To 9:46 This is politics. Like Democrat VS Republican and who holds power. What we have here is "Baker Boys vs Change" it's that simple!!
This will continue until the ole regime realizes history "will-not" repeat itself. That regime for some reason thinks "their sabbath" will again rise. Well that can't happen.I see an uprising against anyone that pushes change,if you read through these blogs you will see which aldermen are targets.The ole regime would consider them to be trouble makers,where people like me see them as True Leaders/and change-makers.I'm for once interested in attending Monday's meeting to see the ole yellers growl. I hope the city votes to send that to the people to decide. It's things like this that get us to the polls
changing the type of government you have is not suppoed to be easy.
@6:44 the petition is going around. I know because I signed it.
Two weeks ago I stated it was time for a change. From 8 elected to 4 elected alderman. I had already started a petition to have a referedum placed on a ballot. Now Alderman Perez has decided to go otherwise. Being on the infrastrcture committee I have learned much about this administration. At first everyone was in favor of not going into more debt. But this failed. The loan has been approved for the program. The alderman on the committee have not been in attendance the last 2 meetings. Showing they have no interest in the infrastructure's ideas or thoughts. They are Perez, Waldorf, Ratke,Lukosus. 2 newbies and 2 old-timers. As far as I am concerned the infrastructure committe is a mouth without a voice.
Mike,
I need to clarify a few points with you.
1. I let it be known to: Mayor Harl, Steve Weberski, and others two months ago I was stepping back from the infrastructure committee after we approved the road project. Which was approved two months ago.
I have made it clear several times.."If the committee needs my assistance, I would be more than happy to assist".( I clarified that again with Steve on Tuesday )
2.Petition- If you would like, I can show you proof that the four aldermen at large has been talked about since January, I mentioned to the media back in January this was something I was going to push forward with after the redistricting was approved.If you re-call an earlier post I made a few weeks ago ( Lois could verify ) I mentioned that I had no issues with your petition, for the fact, It's the peoples choice. I also gave details of the "four at large" scenario that has been on the forefront way before the implementation of your petition.
Mike,I appreciate all you and others do! It's citizens like you that I have much respect for.. bringing new ideas and input to the council. I myself have learned allot from your knowledge of engineering and infrastructure.
I just want to make clear, I am not under-minding your efforts of what you are doing, in fact- the more options the people have, the better. I just support- having more representation, and options in the ballot booth is better for the citizens.
Thank you,
Rodney
its time to change back.
Mike, your thoughts of not going into debt were defeated by a vote of 5-4 as far as the infrastructure financing. The loan was approved by a Democrat process, tough luck if you were on the losing side of this issue. Don't blame Ald.Perez! Maybe he doesn't want to waste his time with the committee. He has much more resposibilities like the city budget, fire&Police Dept, business development, resident issues.
Wait a day and Perez will change his position again. Thats certain.
Mike, The alderman were only following the lead of Mayor Harl. You were at the meetings and the debt was part of the Mayors plan. Why blame the Alderman. Actually Ald. Waldorf who serves on the infrastructure committee was against the plan and stated that at the infrastructure meetings. Why waste your ideas if the only plan of action is the one of the Mayor? As stated in various blogs the committee looks to have some qualifications. Your approach to blame the stated alderman is misplaced. They are only supporting the Mayor's agenda! Its their role.
@8:47 Really? Im thinking alderman perez has been consistent with his No votes and probably one of the more consistent representatives the city has. Even though I haven't read where he has flip flopped anywhere but again the news doesnt print everything. I see a couple reps that keep moving with change and I find that to be a positive. I served as a committeeman and found myself having an opinion on some issue, then with further research had changed my opinion or vote on a subject. So to a sense, I would think our representatives of our city should be the same way. It can't be their way or no way a good and open minded rep would see things in another light and change their minds from time to time. I have been there for many years ( another town) and have done that many times. It's called open mind. I'm personally impressed with what I have been reading and hearing about perez. and one or two others.
Alderman Perez has always supported the mission of the Infrastructure Committee even though he has not been able to attend all of our meetings. Rodney Perez understands the importance of encouraging and embracing the efforts of citizens who step up to contribute to improve their community, as does Mayor Harl. The same cannot be said of every other alderman in Peru. There are still aldermen who have nothing but contempt for the idea of citizens actively contributing to the discussion, let alone making recommendations on how to improve our community. More and more progressive cities and villages all over the country are beginning to realize what a tremendous asset they have in the people of their own communities. Progressive elected officials actively seek citizen participation in any way they can.
In the case of Peru, we have some aldermen who are unable to check their oversized egos at the door. Instead they are threatened by those they consider "outsiders" such as the non-elected members of the Infrastructure Committee.
Elected officials who choose to disregard the efforts of citizen volunteers because of their own insecurity and inability or because they don't like a citizen personally have failed to uphold their oath of office.
They are stuck in an outdated mind-set that is in fact very broken and in need of some serious fixing asap.
You tell them Rod, you have more important things to do than that there engineering stuff. He spoke with Mayor Harl and Steve Weberski, they approved his changing his mind. What else do you want? He said he has no issues with your petition and he supports more representation? How much clearer can he be!
Steve, Does Ald. Perez really need to report to you? He likes the idea of the committee but quit coming to meetings? He likes Mike's idea of less council members but invented the 4 at large members? He doesn't like the city debt for the infrastructure but likes the idea for a loan? Thats just in the last week.
Anon 2:44 Your comment about Ald. Radtke is confussing and off base. I would much rather prefer him as oppossed to the deer in the headlights approach from my 2nd ward appointees. Bag recycling and city cleanup days....you got to be kidding.
I agree if we elect a new mayor we should relect new alderman at the same time,this should be in the city by laws .
Steve, why such continued distaste for Peru and everything about it? You won the Mayor election and got the control you wanted. You are commended for being a part of the infrastructure committee. And still not happy.
Steve, run for office next year. Sorry we forgot you would have to run against a Mayor appointed Alderman. We all know that wont fly with Scott. Either way your only chance is that of the residents chosing four at large seats. Good Luck. There always is that City Department head job.
Either 11:35 is a master of political Spin, or forgot to take his ADD meds. I didn't see where Alderman Perez stated he agreed with less aldermen. I took it as Perez supported the petitioners Rights and courage to petition. It appeared as tho Perez encouraged more on the ballot paper. I have a huge questions for 11:35.
Q. Is your mortgage and vehicles paid in full?
Q. Do you like the fact you have the debt of that mortgage and car payment?
Q. If your foundation of your home was crumbling and needed mass repairs before the storms hit but didn't have the savings to fix it. Would you be jumping for joy that you had to take out a loan to repair it?
Comment. I would have to bet those of us who don't like debt, have no choice but to seek a loan. When a time of action hits there is no more time to wait until you fill the piggy bank to fix or buy things. I would imagine if the city managed their finances accordingly over the past 30 years the city would be much better off. But now we have members in office that are having to make those hard decisions to borrow so we aren't driving on gravel roads. Please someone correct me if I don't have the facts but I heard Steve was / is a chair-person for the committee to fix our streets. Maybe that is the reason Alderman Perez reported details to Steve? Either way if they were all on the same committee they would all report to each other.
Attention Aldrrman Perez, Please keep doing what you are doing. Evil-doers will attack those who stand for something and you Alderman Perez is standing up against the OLD REGIME. They are obviously worked up over you. Reading these spin or hateful postings about you only prove that you are doing what is right.
To 2;13
Great Point! This raises an interest to see who votes No for at large. Not sure why anyone would vote NO it's in the hands of the citizens of Peru whether it happens or not. Any Alderman that would vote No would show pure Errogance that they want government power. Steve would beat Alderman Lukoshis hands down. Go around and ask random people in that ward and ask who their alderman is. See if they ever heard the name Lukoshis? I bet Not. He's the typical Harl Yes man. No talk all YES.
Anon 2:17 Mike's point was why do into debt when you have a alternative program that would not have to be debt leveraged. Most residents in our city would agree that accomplishing the same without debt makes perfect sense. Everybody on the committee reports to everybody else sounds like a support group not a working committee. It looks hypocritical like Mike indicated when you support the work of the committee and then quit. And in the question about debt...most of us would prefer not to be in debt if given the choice. As Mike has indicated, why would you choose debt when you had alternative options? I like the idea of only 4 alderman total, let the residents weed out the nonsense head bobbing rubberstamp members.
To anon 429. There is a management structure for reporting, it isn't just a support group for the infrastructure committee. Mayor harl at the top, committee chairman (not yet appointed) and justin loger as recording secretary
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