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Friday, September 06, 2013
The City Council Agenda is Available for Monday 9/9/13
The vote will be taken Monday as scheduled and you can believe that there is a lot of meetings going on in the city and you can bet some of their are against the OMA with the mayor meeting with his very trusted friends.
69 comments:
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Lois why is Herb Klein listed on the agenda for Monday night? Is he listed for TEST or for the variances listed below?
I've never been to a concil meeting because my alderman told me not too because i would end up in jail because i always speak my mind i'd end up jail . well he not an aldman anymore . i can't believe harl and these guys can do wat they want . te word ipeach comes to mind ,let alone taking them out behind the wood shed to learn a little respect . Know wonder tthis blog is here . We don't need harl or any of his followers . They just do what they want and the hell with with what the tax payer want ! REALLY DISAPOINTED WITH THESE PEOPLE !!!!!
I emailed Bartley today and asked what the 5th rider was in the ordinance to be approved by the council for the TEST contract. He replied it is the extension of the TEST contract. I will be contacting my 2nd ward aldermen on Saturday morning to inform not to vote in favor of rehiring TEST without going out for bids. Everyone not in favor need to fill out a public comment card prior to the meeting on Monday Sept.9th . They cannot stop us from speaking out. Thank you Mike Hart
9/3/2013 Coca-Cola to close Peru facility. All truck drivers to lose jobs, others will have the option of applying for positions elsewhere within the company.
7:00 AM posting an anonymous blog about an illegal meeting in violation of the OMA does nothing. Get witnesses and legal recording , and make a formal report. I believe that as a citizen you are allowed to record meetings of public officials under the OMA. I certainly would love to see the states attorney prosecute us for taping illegal meetings while ignoring the OMA violations of the past in Peru.
Check out today's Open Forum. It lists all the aldermen's phone numbers so CALL your alderman and tell them to vote NO to the TEST contract and YES to competitive bidding!!! Save our tax money!
I just read the article in the News Trib by the Peru Reporter, in which he states that TEST has 120 contracts and 70 plus are with municipalities. If you go to the TEST website, you will see that only 7 are listed, Peru among them. I wonder if possibly the other municipalities have contracts to test their water. La Salle brings water to them each day for testing, is this a contract? TEST does the testing but LaSalle has their own water treatment plants for water and sewage. I believe Peru still owns the sewage treatment plant and perhaps the water also and TEST manages them. The city of Creve Couer has split their services evidently with TEST doing waste water and the drinking water done by Memswater.com of Carlyle IL. Sound familiar, this is the company that was turned away by Peru 2 weeks ago.
I do not only question the ethics of the Peru City Council for its recent business involvement and also the proposed actions by the Public Works Committee (Waldorf & Lukosis) I also question the motivations of people in the State of Illinois who pass legislation such as the "Super Majority" vote. This issue of of open bidding for a water treat contract is not won yet and it would be best to continue all efforts to achieve a successful end. The big victory would be that people stay politicaly active after the storm is settled and band together for Peru. There are many good and honest ideas out there if utilized would make Peru the place to be. I want Peru to be known for the future not the past. Good leadership can and will accomplish this desire.
The newspaper contacts the city for comments regarding the 3 million dollar contract and Harl sends Bartley and a treasurer from another city out as the "bag-men" to perform a commercial on behalf of TEST. Where the hell are the voices of the aldermen who are going to vote on this pile of crap contract. Where the hell is Waldorf with some blubbering words of wisdom? Where the hell is Hylla with all those phony-baloney statistics? Where the hell is Harl and his lap-dog Lukosus to straighten us out on the virtues of this deal? Instead, they send us Bartley and some other hack from another city to provide testimonials for a private company? Really? Does anybody in the Illinois Valley see Dave Bartley as a credible or ethical witness? Anybody? Really?
Peru Town Forum Blog shared Alderman Rodney Perez- City of Peru's status. 7 minutes ago Robo calls this morning asking for citizens of Peru to contact elected officials asking us to seek bids for the $3,000,000.00 waste water contract this Monday. My phone is ringing, and their voices are being hear
Correct 11:02, why Bartley. He should have Zero to do with this, let alone being a spokesperson for peru. Some people are smooth talkers and b. s. ers. Who cared that he parked cars for concert. Some people like photo ops too. Won't mention names, use your imagination. Need a new clerk along with all the other a--kissers at city hall. Except one. Won't mention who. 11:02 you hit the nail on the head.
Wondered what others thought of the article. I guess for that paper, it seems like a had hitting piece . But where are the follow up questions? Wo exactly is TEST? What are the extras they do and why couldn't those be written in to a new contract? What is the value of the Extras? hhis could anyone nickel and dime you to death?
What is the relevance of the other city to our status here?
Where are the statements by the alderman who proposed this no bid? How is it relevant that it was never bid in the past?
Have I been missing something here? Did peru hire a hospitality clerk? A.K.A: City clerk. Is there extra pay for this position? Was this discussed in one of the abundance of closed door meetings? Please inform all of us.
12:11 PM I agree the article was so much fluff, no substance and where were the comments by those who will be voting on this Monday. If the aldermen are not going to answer to the public what is the point of having ward aldermen. Perhaps this is the time to bring up the possibility of having the next election be about hiring 4 at large aldermen. I'm all for it as living in the first ward I have no representation because of limited boundaries to choose candidates from. It would make more sense to have 4 capable men or women representing the city at large and then maybe there would not be so many unrepresented people in Peru. My sympathies to you living in the third ward also, you have no representation either. The new alderman has become a very good friend of the Harl family, so there goes any independent thinking we thought might be elected.
When the citizens have totally lost any respect for their government and find themselves with no representation, I can only hope someone is watching Peru.
Be prepared residents of Peru because this contract is going to nobody but TEST. But that is OK, it will be more proof what kind of people are representing us. They do not listen to the folks. So let them have their super majority, just do not forget this when the next election comes along. Lois, do not let us forget. You are the first queen of Peru. Without you none of this would be possible.THANK YOU
Too bad it has to be a robot watching out for us and not our elected officials. They are the ones who should be on the phone to us, asking our opinion. Oh, forgot our opinion does not matter.
The contract states they should have 6 full time employees they only have 4 full time employees where is the salary from the other 2 going? Charging the city for 6 and only hiring 4 they should knock those salaries of the bid cost!! And the alderman are aware of this and still have no problem spending the tax payers money!! They don't abide by whats stated in this contract how more bs can we take from this company - the alderman need to remember its not just their money that they are spending!
TEST keeps saying they are the better company and they do a better job but how do we know when no other lab has ever gotten the chance - there is nothing to compare it to!
It may be a $12 per hour job in the private sector. If the city decides to "in source" it, they will be turned into $30 per hour jobs with gold plated insurance, 5% raises every year, and IMRF retirment.
If I bought a red car and went to pick it up and they gave me a black car and said that is the way it is I would sue because I signed a contract!! Shame on these alderman and mayor for allowing this!!! If this was going on in a bigger city there would be some jail time - it is not any less criminal because we live in a smaller town! I certainly hope TEST will take care of the alderman that vote yay because the tax payers will never forget and putting their own reputations on the line for a company that doesn't think any more of them than a bug on the floor, is sad!
Are there city workers testing the landfill? Why reinvent the wheel? All of a sudden another lab LIKE TEST is not an option? All smoke and mirrors in my opinion! When old mayor Baker gave the contract to his buddy Tim Perra, who by the way was a first time business owner, nobody questioned the capability of him but all sudden now it's an issue??? People wake up!!!
Still doesn't explain why they are charging the city all this money for employees that aren't employed - and do the math I still don't understand where they come up with that payroll figure? If they aren't hiding anything show us the figures! Also provide invoices for all the testing!
Creve Couer fired TEST for testing of the water side they didnt hire city workers to do it they hired another lab!!! You should contact them and ask why they went with another lab?
Please people if you have called your aldermen let us know if they have answered your call or returned your call. If you e-mailed did they get back to you? Give us names, this is crucial, because if we are only calling our aldermen we do not know what the others have done. thank you
The issue and only issue presently doing with water treat and waste is that the contract is awarded by open bidding. Stay focused on competitive open bidding! When all bids are in and the contract is let many of the questions now being asked will be automatically answered.
If TEST has no hidden skeletons than go with the bid process! As quoted in the paper saying you have never had to go out for bids, just reads "I'm used to getting what I want and that's is that" - like father, like son!!!
After the open forums, Rod Thorson on WLPO and the robo calls to the community I thought this thread and many others would be lite-up like a large Christmas tree. Looks like very few people believe in you, Linda, Jill, Weberski, Perez, Maszak and Hart.
7:33 LOL are you for real? Did you just get out of study hall at LP?
That's like line from a Disney show.
"Looks like the kids will still hang with the cheerleaders Chad. Nobody cares what the nerds say"
From my experience in Peru, if you are not in the minority you are not ethical, not a reasoning mind and don't have an IQ over 90. Being in the minority here is a badge of honor.
Did I hear Waldorf say on video test gave free sandbagging to city...sounds like a perk to me don't forget the mayors political contribution on Monday night...he will have an offering plate at the door.
10:58 I heard Bederstedt was fined 3500.00 and his state appraisal license will not be renewed. Did you know Mayor Harl is trying to get an appraisal license?
10:39 PM Robo call encouraging residents to call their alderman about a no bid contract to TEST. I got one, I listened. The Transparency group is legitimate is composed of Peru residents but I don't know names.
that is a reference to the flooding on Water Street earlier this year. The Peru Waste Water Treatment Plant was in danger of being flooded and I do believe TEST has equipment in that building and sounds like they were protecting their interests. Along with TEST, some aldermen and of course Peru employees, all were sandbagging the building. Waldorfs comment was nothing more than an attempt to make people think that TEST alone went down to save the treatment building.
Hey 7:33 take a deep breath and do the right thing on Monday night. You must be awful nervous making a statement like that. Those diversionary tactics never work, everyone can see right through you. just do the right thing, and if you can't take the heat, you know what they say....GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!
7:33 Why would you resort to that type of comment? It appears you have the same mentality as those who stopped Elaine and the two ladies at the meeting Monday night. Are you saying people have no right to voice their opinion in the newspaper,or to Rod Thorson. After all Rod brought the subject up, and seemed to agree with the letter from Elaine. Why didn't you list his name with the others?
If Ald Waldorf and Lukosus table this vote because they know they don't have the votes, they are cowards. Let the votes of each aldermen be known. Just like the bike path, we will never know how each alderman would have voted for that. The only thing we know for sure is they didn't have enough votes. I want to know how each alderman will vote, so I know how to vote at the next election.
If what the above blogger says is true and Waldorf took a poll to see if he had the votes. Wouldn't that be illegal? Sure seems illegal. Someone should ask that question during public comment and get them on tape admitting it. They would fry like chickens.
2:12 - what country do you live in? Of course it is leagal to take a poll before the vote to see if your motion has a chance of winning. In fact, the U.S. Senate has a rule that if you decide to vote on the other side of your own motion, you can reserve the right to open it again. You see - only the winning side can bring the same issue up to a vote again. So if a Senator sponsors a bill and it is doomed for failure, he can vote against his own bill, reserving ther right to bring it to another vote, while he gathers more support for a future vote.
THE ALDERMEN IN PERU, ARE A BUNCH OF ROBOTS, THEY CAN ONLY SAY AND DO WHAT CERTAIN PEOPLE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. POTTHOFF USED TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHO USED HIS OWN INTELLIGENCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM FOR THE COMPLETE TURNAROUND. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY ALDERMEN, AFTER I TALKED TO THEM, WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR A NO BID. THEY WERE ALL THAT OBVIOUS. THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE NAY------PEREZ, THE ONLY ONE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK RODNEY. WE NEED ONLY 8 MORE LIKE YOU.
Use to have a lot of respect for alderman Potthoff he's the only really intellectual alderman at this time. All one has to do is go to a council meeting and look at faces of alderman. My I wonder if he's tired and doesn't care anymore. Please alderman Potthoff, get back up in the saddle and do what's right and show us citizens that you do still care.
If Waldorf took a poll with a quorum being present and it is not recorded for the public to witness he violated the OMA. Just because some of the city representation has the brains of chimpanzees in the jungle swing ing fromm tree to tree they are not abstained from having to obey the law.
DON'T BE SURPRISED IF A ALDERMAN DOESN'T SHOW UP TO COUNCIL MEETING SUPPOSEDLY FOR BEING SICK SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN POSTPONE THIS. Because hopefully there will be a full house with standing room only tonight. Videotaping this tonight and post on here. Cuz probably the city's camera will have malfunctioned. Always a excuse, got to outsmart them.
69 comments:
Lois why is Herb Klein listed on the agenda for Monday night? Is he listed for TEST or for the variances listed below?
I'll be there, I hope to see several citizens also in attendance.
I've never been to a concil meeting because my alderman told me not too because i would end up in jail because i always speak my mind i'd end up jail . well he not an aldman anymore . i can't believe harl and these guys can do wat they want . te word ipeach comes to mind ,let alone taking them out behind the wood shed to learn a little respect . Know wonder tthis blog is here . We don't need harl or any of his followers . They just do what they want and the hell with with what the tax payer want ! REALLY DISAPOINTED WITH THESE PEOPLE !!!!!
I emailed Bartley today and asked what the 5th rider was in the ordinance to be approved by the council for the TEST contract. He replied it is the extension of the TEST contract. I will be contacting my 2nd ward aldermen on Saturday morning to inform not to vote in favor of rehiring TEST without going out for bids. Everyone not in favor need to fill out a public comment card prior to the meeting on Monday Sept.9th . They cannot stop us from speaking out. Thank you Mike Hart
9/3/2013
Coca-Cola to close Peru facility. All truck drivers to lose jobs, others will have the option of applying for positions elsewhere within the company.
TEST, Inc
330 Fifth St
Peru, IL 61354
$550.00
6/12/2013
Individual Contribution
Scott Harl Campaign for Mayor
TEST, Inc
330 Fifth St
Peru, IL 61354
$400.00
7/20/2012
Individual Contribution
Scott Harl Campaign for Mayor
TEST, Inc
330 Fifth St
Peru, IL 61354
$400.00
5/5/2011
Individual Contribution
Scott Harl Campaign for Mayor
Maybe this was a part of the discussion between Hylla, Radtke and Harl yesterday afternoon.
7:00 AM posting an anonymous blog about an illegal meeting in violation of the OMA does nothing. Get witnesses and legal recording , and make a formal report. I believe that as a citizen you are allowed to record meetings of public officials under the OMA. I certainly would love to see the states attorney prosecute us for taping illegal meetings while ignoring the OMA violations of the past in Peru.
I can't wait to meet Elaine!
Check out today's Open Forum. It lists all the aldermen's phone numbers so CALL your alderman and tell them to vote NO to the TEST contract and YES to competitive bidding!!! Save our tax money!
I just read the article in the News Trib by the Peru Reporter, in which he states that TEST has 120 contracts and 70 plus are with municipalities. If you go to the TEST website, you will see that only 7 are listed, Peru among them. I wonder if possibly the other municipalities have contracts to test their water. La Salle brings water to them each day for testing, is this a contract? TEST does the testing but LaSalle has their own water treatment plants for water and sewage. I believe Peru still owns the sewage treatment plant and perhaps the water also and TEST manages them.
The city of Creve Couer has split their services evidently with TEST doing waste water and the drinking water done by Memswater.com of Carlyle IL. Sound familiar, this is the company that was turned away by Peru 2 weeks ago.
I do not only question the ethics of the Peru City Council for its recent business involvement and also the proposed actions by the Public Works Committee (Waldorf & Lukosis) I also question the motivations of people in the State of Illinois who pass legislation such as the "Super Majority" vote.
This issue of of open bidding for a water treat contract is not won yet and it would be best to continue all efforts to achieve a successful end. The big victory would be that people stay politicaly active after the storm is settled and band together for Peru. There are many good and honest ideas out there if utilized would make Peru the place to be. I want Peru to be known for the future not the past. Good leadership can and will accomplish this desire.
The newspaper contacts the city for comments regarding the 3 million dollar contract and Harl sends Bartley and a treasurer from another city out as the "bag-men" to perform a commercial on behalf of TEST. Where the hell are the voices of the aldermen who are going to vote on this pile of crap contract. Where the hell is Waldorf with some blubbering words of wisdom? Where the hell is Hylla with all those phony-baloney statistics? Where the hell is Harl and his lap-dog Lukosus to straighten us out on the virtues of this deal? Instead, they send us Bartley and some other hack from another city to provide testimonials for a private company? Really? Does anybody in the Illinois Valley see Dave Bartley as a credible or ethical witness? Anybody? Really?
Peru Town Forum Blog shared Alderman Rodney Perez- City of Peru's status.
7 minutes ago
Robo calls this morning asking for citizens of Peru to contact elected officials asking us to seek bids for the $3,000,000.00 waste water contract this Monday.
My phone is ringing, and their voices are being hear
Correct 11:02, why Bartley. He should have Zero to do with this, let alone being a spokesperson for peru. Some people are smooth talkers and b. s. ers. Who cared that he parked cars for concert. Some people like photo ops too. Won't mention names, use your imagination. Need a new clerk along with all the other a--kissers at city hall. Except one. Won't mention who. 11:02 you hit the nail on the head.
Wondered what others thought of the article. I guess for that paper, it seems like a had hitting piece . But where are the follow up questions? Wo exactly is TEST? What are the extras they do and why couldn't those be written in to a new contract? What is the value of the Extras? hhis could anyone nickel and dime you to death?
What is the relevance of the other city to our status here?
Where are the statements by the alderman who proposed this no bid? How is it relevant that it was never bid in the past?
Have I been missing something here? Did peru hire a hospitality clerk? A.K.A: City clerk. Is there extra pay for this position? Was this discussed in one of the abundance of closed door meetings? Please inform all of us.
12:11 PM
I agree the article was so much fluff, no substance and where were the comments by those who will be voting on this Monday. If the aldermen are not going to answer to the public what is the point of having ward aldermen.
Perhaps this is the time to bring up the possibility of having the next election be about hiring 4 at large aldermen. I'm all for it as living in the first ward I have no representation because of limited boundaries to choose candidates from. It would make more sense to have 4 capable men or women representing the city at large and then maybe there would not be so many unrepresented people in Peru.
My sympathies to you living in the third ward also, you have no representation either. The new alderman has become a very good friend of the Harl family, so there goes any independent thinking we thought might be elected.
www.citizensforethics.org was the robo call this morning, are more eyes on Peru than we think
When the citizens have totally lost any respect for their government and find themselves with no representation, I can only hope someone is watching Peru.
Be prepared residents of Peru because this contract is going to nobody but TEST. But that is OK, it will be more proof what kind of people are representing us. They do not listen to the folks. So let them have their super majority, just do not forget this when the next election comes along. Lois, do not let us forget. You are the first queen of Peru. Without you none of this would be possible.THANK YOU
Too bad it has to be a robot watching out for us and not our elected officials. They are the ones who should be on the phone to us, asking our opinion. Oh, forgot our opinion does not matter.
Lasalle does not have a contract with TEST they use another lab for their water testing the only time Lasalle uses TEST is for boil orders
2:37 PM
I did call LaSalle and that is what I was told so thank you for the correction.
The contract states they should have 6 full time employees they only have 4 full time employees where is the salary from the other 2 going? Charging the city for 6 and only hiring 4 they should knock those salaries of the bid cost!! And the alderman are aware of this and still have no problem spending the tax payers money!! They don't abide by whats stated in this contract how more bs can we take from this company - the alderman need to remember its not just their money that they are spending!
Everybody knows its only a $12hr job where did they come up with the salary figure? Its going into somebody's pocket and its not the workers!
TEST keeps saying they are the better company and they do a better job but how do we know when no other lab has ever gotten the chance - there is nothing to compare it to!
It may be a $12 per hour job in the private sector. If the city decides to "in source" it, they will be turned into $30 per hour jobs with gold plated insurance, 5% raises every year, and IMRF retirment.
If I bought a red car and went to pick it up and they gave me a black car and said that is the way it is I would sue because I signed a contract!! Shame on these alderman and mayor for allowing this!!! If this was going on in a bigger city there would be some jail time - it is not any less criminal because we live in a smaller town! I certainly hope TEST will take care of the alderman that vote yay because the tax payers will never forget and putting their own reputations on the line for a company that doesn't think any more of them than a bug on the floor, is sad!
Why does the city have to employ TEST has their own workers - another lab would also have their own employees - why would it change now???
The city doesn't in source now should be no different with a new lab - you must have a vested interest with this contract??
Are there city workers testing the landfill? Why reinvent the wheel? All of a sudden another lab LIKE TEST is not an option? All smoke and mirrors in my opinion! When old mayor Baker gave the contract to his buddy Tim Perra, who by the way was a first time business owner, nobody questioned the capability of him but all sudden now it's an issue??? People wake up!!!
Still doesn't explain why they are charging the city all this money for employees that aren't employed - and do the math I still don't understand where they come up with that payroll figure? If they aren't hiding anything show us the figures! Also provide invoices for all the testing!
Show all the invoices and all figures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Creve Couer fired TEST for testing of the water side they didnt hire city workers to do it they hired another lab!!! You should contact them and ask why they went with another lab?
Please people if you have called your aldermen let us know if they have answered your call or returned your call. If you e-mailed did they get back to you? Give us names, this is crucial, because if we are only calling our aldermen we do not know what the others have done. thank you
Anon 3:32
Seems like u are just trying to scare the citizens of Peru!
Is Baker part owner of TEST?
The issue and only issue presently doing with water treat and waste is that the contract is awarded by open bidding. Stay focused on competitive open bidding!
When all bids are in and the contract is let many of the questions now being asked will be automatically answered.
If TEST has no hidden skeletons than go with the bid process! As quoted in the paper saying you have never had to go out for bids, just reads "I'm used to getting what I want and that's is that" - like father, like son!!!
After the open forums, Rod Thorson on WLPO and the robo calls to the community I thought this thread and many others would be lite-up like a large Christmas tree. Looks like very few people believe in you, Linda, Jill, Weberski, Perez, Maszak and Hart.
7:33 LOL are you for real? Did you just get out of study hall at LP?
That's like line from a Disney show.
"Looks like the kids will still hang with the cheerleaders Chad. Nobody cares what the nerds say"
From my experience in Peru, if you are not in the minority you are not ethical, not a reasoning mind and don't have an IQ over 90. Being in the minority here is a badge of honor.
Anon 7:33
If this does go your way, enjoy that salary for another 5yrs! No matter how you spin this, your days are numbered!! Better start planning!
Whats the deal with NewsTribune facebook page and the TEST logo and saying someone called in and claimed that TEST is giving the city official perks?
I heard the Ottawa Newspaper is coming to Mondays meeting. They have the guts to print the facts,
7:33
Why Linda and Jill? They didn't write Open Forum letters and I don't know if they've even offered their opinion on this matter.
You must be somebody in the know???? But you need to get your people and issues straight.
Linda and Jill are involved in the pickleball problem.
Did I hear Waldorf say on video test gave free sandbagging to city...sounds like a perk to me don't forget the mayors political contribution on Monday night...he will have an offering plate at the door.
10:58 I heard Bederstedt was fined 3500.00 and his state appraisal license will not be renewed. Did you know Mayor Harl is trying to get an appraisal license?
10:39 PM
Robo call encouraging residents to call their alderman about a no bid contract to TEST. I got one, I listened. The Transparency group is legitimate is composed of Peru residents but I don't know names.
Vickery for mayor!!!!!
Quid pro quo. Perk free labor
11:11 PM
that is a reference to the flooding on Water Street earlier this year. The Peru Waste Water Treatment Plant was in danger of being flooded and I do believe TEST has equipment in that building and sounds like they were protecting their interests. Along with TEST, some aldermen and of course Peru employees, all were sandbagging the building. Waldorfs comment was nothing more than an attempt to make people think that TEST alone went down to save the treatment building.
I did hear today a group has formed a PAC and actively looking for an opponent for Mayor in 3 years...hope they are strong
Hey 7:33 take a deep breath and do the right thing on Monday night. You must be awful nervous making a statement like that. Those diversionary tactics never work, everyone can see right through you. just do the right thing, and if you can't take the heat, you know what they say....GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!
What is Robocall?
7:33 Why would you resort to that type of comment? It appears you have the same mentality as those who stopped Elaine and the two ladies at the meeting Monday night. Are you saying people have no right to voice their opinion in the newspaper,or to Rod Thorson. After all Rod brought the subject up, and seemed to agree with the letter from Elaine. Why didn't you list his name with the others?
11:23 I hope a PAC was formed, we need someone young in office with some new ideas and who hasn't been corrupted by politics.
If TEST does get this contract their days are numbered (5yrs comes around pretty darn quick) and so are the alderman and mayor's!!
If Ald Waldorf and Lukosus table this vote because they know they don't have the votes, they are cowards. Let the votes of each aldermen be known. Just like the bike path, we will never know how each alderman would have voted for that. The only thing we know for sure is they didn't have enough votes. I want to know how each alderman will vote, so I know how to vote at the next election.
If what the above blogger says is true and Waldorf took a poll to see if he had the votes. Wouldn't that be illegal? Sure seems illegal. Someone should ask that question during public comment and get them on tape admitting it. They would fry like chickens.
2:12 - what country do you live in? Of course it is leagal to take a poll before the vote to see if your motion has a chance of winning. In fact, the U.S. Senate has a rule that if you decide to vote on the other side of your own motion, you can reserve the right to open it again. You see - only the winning side can bring the same issue up to a vote again. So if a Senator sponsors a bill and it is doomed for failure, he can vote against his own bill, reserving ther right to bring it to another vote, while he gathers more support for a future vote.
THE ALDERMEN IN PERU, ARE A BUNCH OF ROBOTS, THEY CAN ONLY SAY AND DO WHAT CERTAIN PEOPLE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. POTTHOFF USED TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHO USED HIS OWN INTELLIGENCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM FOR THE COMPLETE TURNAROUND. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY ALDERMEN, AFTER I TALKED TO THEM, WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR A NO BID. THEY WERE ALL THAT OBVIOUS. THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE NAY------PEREZ, THE ONLY ONE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK RODNEY. WE NEED ONLY 8 MORE LIKE YOU.
All their days are numbered including TEST - they may win this round but they will be gone eventually!
Use to have a lot of respect for alderman Potthoff he's the only really intellectual alderman at this time. All one has to do is go to a council meeting and look at faces of alderman. My I wonder if he's tired and doesn't care anymore. Please alderman Potthoff, get back up in the saddle and do what's right and show us citizens that you do still care.
If Waldorf took a poll with a quorum being present and it is not recorded for the public to witness he violated the OMA.
Just because some of the city representation has the brains of chimpanzees in the jungle swing ing fromm tree to tree they are not abstained from having to obey the law.
DON'T BE SURPRISED IF A ALDERMAN DOESN'T SHOW UP TO COUNCIL MEETING SUPPOSEDLY FOR BEING SICK SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN POSTPONE THIS. Because hopefully there will be a full house with standing room only tonight. Videotaping this tonight and post on here. Cuz probably the city's camera will have malfunctioned. Always a excuse, got to outsmart them.
Haha Vickery for mayor?
I just threw up alittle.
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1:58 - do you think he is stupid enough to call the group together to ask them all at once how they intend to vote? Oh, wait...
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