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Monday, March 24, 2014

Exchange Between Aldermen Perez and Aldermen Sapienza on Planters and Hanging Baskets

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sapi is embarrassing and needs to pay more attention at meetings looks like he was asleep

Anonymous said...

It sounded like Old Sappy really wanted to award the contract to the high bidder. The high bidder that, according to Ald. Perez, did not want to explain the huge disparity in their bid. Hmmmmm… Did the high bidder just think they would automatically get a wheelbarrow full of money?

Anonymous said...

Didn't I hear a council member use the word "assumption"? Thought many were against that word. HA! Sounds like there is going to summer help watering baskets. Isn't there enough dead weight employees now that could do the watering? Is the application process going to be fair? Who will do the hiring?

Anonymous said...

Appears Alderman Sapienza lost his support.? First he says he supports volunteers but its clear his angry tone and actions displayed something completely different. I think he needs anger management, and economic classes.

Anonymous said...

As usual a simple landscaping program was brain surgery. Last week Perez had trouble with grass cutting bids. You wonder why Harl puts everything in the Public Works Committee.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of economics classes, there is a bill in Springfield that would require that. It is being held up by the Democrats.

Senate Bill 3496 would require legislators, aldermen and county board members to take a one-day economics course every election cycle. The course work would be developed by the Center of Economic Education at Northern Illinois University (NIU).

Anonymous said...

10:43 am, Our aldermen would never be able to pass such a course. Imagine the embarrassment of having to tudor Ferrari, Waldorf, Lukosus, Sappy, and Mueller. Potthoff and Radtke would have to mentor them after barely squeaking by themselves.
Harl would just flunk out and Hylla and Bartley would probably have to cheat their way through. What a "quality" group.
Rodney would take it seriously and prepare and study for it and pass with flying colors.

Anonymous said...

10:26 it was not Perez who made the landscaping bids difficult...... Apparently only Sappy had difficulty with it as it was a 7 to 1 vote

Anonymous said...

Perez should learn not speak when its not his turn

Anonymous said...

Or should I say "TOOTER".
Right Sappy? Actually I guess it's TUTOR, isn't it? My Bad!

Anonymous said...

Haha i like old confused people ! But not when they run a city .

Anonymous said...

@1:47 I was thinking the same thing until I heard Sapienza do the same thing after he scolded Perez.
Sapienza was just trying to Tutor his own horn. I mean tooter. I laughed when I heard Sapienza Toot out "NO!!!"
Reminded me of a child when he doesn't get his way. NO!! Whaaaaaaahhhh.

Anonymous said...

Every bidding is tainted in some way. The council tries to actually save money but one lone gun wants to hire the high bidder for some reason . We need a class on how bids are supposed to happen . it sounds like it was the greenhouses fault with their cocky attitude . they wanted it all or none . well , they got none .

Anonymous said...

these flower pots should not be funded by the government. The people that own the buildings on fourth street should be the ones funding this. Many communities require things like that in the business license.

Anonymous said...

The comments on this blog are vile and pathetic. Not one bit of constructive criticism, just making fun of people. I hope this somehow makes the few commenters feel better about themselves.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:34 What business license?

Anonymous said...

As official horn too yet I would like to say Sapienza you are a disgrace to 3rd ward..1st and 3 rd ward alderman are like bumps on log most times and I have to say id rather they don't say a thing..it's embarrassing we can get 4 quality alderman

Peru Town Forum said...

There are times when residents and/or families of aldermen are offended by the comments of some of the bloggers here on the Peru Town Forum.

With that in mind I believe it is appropriate to inform you of circumstances and comments made on the opposite - the aldermens retorts.

Friday at the Public Property Committee meeting that was held at ^ 6 P.M. This committee is composed of Alds. Perez and Mueller.
I was able to foia the conversation that took place prior to the meeting and in a nutshell this is what was said.Remember an agenda was posted for this 6 PM meeting. Aldermen Perez arrived at city hall and a number of residents were also there as well as Ald. Radtke.
Text conversation:
Chief Bernabie to Ald. Mueller - So u want or need Jeff and/or I at the meeting tonight?
Mueller: I guess I can handle it.
Perez: Should be simple enough
Bernabei: If U need anything or questions just call my cell.
Perez: Copy
Mueller: So, I guess we don't need a meeting @ 6 then
5:34PM Perez: Why's that?
6:07 PM Perez: U enroute
Mueller: No
Perez: Waiting
Mueller: Who?
Perez: Me, Mike & peeps
Mueller: What for? You're taking it to the council Monday. Apparently you don't understand how committees work.
Perez: Becky was a No Show. We will table until April 7 mtg.

Peru Town Forum said...

Another incident happened after last nights city council meeting when an individual who made a public comment was verbally insulted by an alderman with language not used in polite society and one that I would not allow on this blog. Stay tuned.

Peru Town Forum said...

6:34 PM

There were a couple that did their own planters. The American Red Cross was done before the volunteers appeared and I believe one by the State Farm Insurance was done also. One business in the East end was delighted to be able to take care of those that we planted and he ended up taking care of the whole block of planters all summer. The cost was minimal compared to most of the ventures the city undertakes for things like the Fourth of July and Concerts for a Cause.

Anonymous said...

Any news on the FBI investigation?

Anonymous said...

Agree 655

Anonymous said...

To 6:55 pm, Feel free to judge the following comment that I believe to be "constructive criticism".
The Peru city council, in particular the aldermen appear to me to be very much lacking the basic knowledge of how to conduct an honest and ethical bidding process. Whether it be a $35,000 contract or a $3.5 million contract, they just can't seem to find any consistancy at all.
Does the city of Peru have an actual policy to abide by? Or, do they "cherry-pick" which projects are available for bidding and which are not?
So 6:55 pm, my constructive suggestion to Peru aldermen is to learn how to conduct bidding for taxpayer funded projects with honesty and integrity instead of picking and choosing what is bid and what is not. That type of policy reaks of favoritism, cronyism and corruption.
Do you constructively agree or disagreee 6:55 pm? And why?

Anonymous said...

This guy Perez shared personal text messages with the blog? No wonder nobody trusts this guy.

Anonymous said...

Mueller probably didn't want any questions to be asked because she would not be able to answer. A "no show" is a cop out. I don't understand how alderman can be on committees and don't have a clue. This is a reason we need alderman who are intelligent and understand departments, etc... How can a person be on ESDA committee for instance and not have a clue what it actually is? Usually there is a reason. Just an example. Same goes for other committees/boards. . What are motives of people? This city has become so corrupt, an embarrassment. Isn't it nice how people try and sugarcoat the truth.

Peru Town Forum said...

9:42 AM
Now don't make me ask you if you know what a foia is? All done legally through the Peru City Clerk's foia officer.
So just in case you don't know what the abbreviation stands for, it is Freedom of Information Act.

Anonymous said...

Nothing is wrong with sharing text messages, phone logs, emails, facebook posts. If a person isn't being deceitful or trying to cover something up, there should be no need to worry or be upset. Simple. Using these avenues of information is a way to validate exactly what was said
or done. Your comment about not trusting a person because they shared true evidence shows your lack of intelligence. True?

Anonymous said...

E-mails among public officials can be considered a meeting one that bans the public. The OMA explicitly applies to electronic communication such as E-MAIL and INSTANT MESSAGING. OMA violations, e-mails are listed as public documents under state FOIA, meaning the public is entitled to see e-mails about public business which can be damaging.

Anonymous said...

E-mail correspondences can be shown to anybody. Always an e-mail address to and fro. Can't falsify that. Well, I guess one can try and do that. Or lie about it.

Anonymous said...

Yes, they can be shown to anybody, but they can also be considered a violation of the OMA if they are forwarded to enough aldermen to constitute a quorum.

Anonymous said...

So this above text message constitues a meeting? All those involved have violated the open meetings act? Will Rodney be calling the FBI on this one.

Anonymous said...

12:13, since the committee is only two people, any discussion of committee business outside the official meeting is a violation of the OMA. That is one of the big problems with Boss Harl's committee structure.
and yes... electronic messages between officials are considered public property. That is why elected officials should never use their personal email accounts and personal telephones to email and text official business. Mixing official and personal on the same machine subjects personal business to inspection if somebody decides to push it. Very messy.... just a word of caution to any aldermen reading this. Sorry to say, and I don't necessarily want to pay for it, but they should all have a city issued telephone and lap top.

Anonymous said...

Do you see why I wanted 2 at large aldermen? If you had Mueller and Ferrari wouldn;t you????

Anonymous said...

1:23 well are you going to turn in Rodney to the FBI

Anonymous said...

No - but I would be curious to see if the city has OMA training certificates for everyone on the council.

Anonymous said...

NO!

Anonymous said...

Does the city have sexual harassment and ethical tactic training?

Anonymous said...

What all of you must understand is this. You can call them out on technicalities of OMA violations all you want, and you will be "technically" justified in doing so and they are "technically" in violation of the OMA. But, you can file a complaint a day with the Illinois Attorney General's office and your complaints will die a swift and painful death in Springfield becuase the people in that office have no intention of enforcing any "technical" type violations by elected officials. Waste your time if you wish, but I have learned the hard way to just let it go. Unless your elected officials are blatantly abusing the OMA, and I mean BLATANTLY, your complaint will be recieved with absolute apathy from the AG's office in Springfield. They could care less!

Anonymous said...

It would not be a violation to discuss when, who attrnding and the agenda. It would be a violation to begin debate or background information sharing beyond previously distributed info.

It's not that hard people.

Anonymous said...

Text messaging and e-mail correspondence to organize a meeting or ask where one is would not be a violation according to the OMA. It appears Mueller asked Perez a question about him taking a meeting to the council. If Perez answered it and they discussed issues about city business then that would be a violation. I've served on county board for 12 years I'm clear about OMA violations amongst officials. Notifications aren't a violation. Besides, I'm not sure the AGS office cares less about violations. At least they never use to be concerned.

Anonymous said...

The bottom line is the fact Mules refused to attend a committee she serves on . probably because she was instructed not to go. Or was trying to show off against Rodney like sapi did . and all they did was make themselves look like fools .

Anonymous said...

The Frau and the Horn Tooter's goals have a warped direction, and that direction is to embarrass Alderman Perez. After a brief period as representatives of Peru they have become so misguided that they are not and never have been productive aldermen.


Anonymous said...

The bottom line on this meeting is Alderman Mueller was informed of a Friday night meeting late and called by Ald.Perez. When having a meeting it is typical to inform those on the committee if they can attend and what is to be discussed, if all can't make the meeting, you reschedule. I think they had a duplicate meeting on Monday night prior to the City Council meeting. The other important note on the meeting was that one item was to be discussed---landscaping! That item was already on the agenda for the entire city council to discuss on Monday night. So the meeting at 6PM on Friday night was to accomplish nothing. The purpose of Ald.Perez in having the text message posted, ask him. The meeting served no purpose, accomplished nothing. Stay tuned next week meeting will be at 4:00am Sunday morning to discuss fireworks.

Anonymous said...

10:14 DO THEY REALLY NEED goals to embarrass Alderman Perez? It looks like Ald.Perez's goal is to embarrass Mayor Harl.

Anonymous said...

@9:52 The texts about the meeting were FOIAed by Lois. Perez didn't give them out.

Mueller knew about the Friday meeting by Wednesday because an agenda has to be posted 48 hours prior to the meeting.

Nice try to discredit Perez, but Mueller failed to show for a committee meeting. No other way to explain it away. She failed. Why did Radke and some citizens show if it wasn't an important meeting? It just wasn't important to Mueller.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:58 Ald. Perez does not need a designated goal to embarrass Mayor Harl. The Mayor will accomplish his embarrassment all by himself.
Alderman Perez has brought many goals before the council which should have and never were acted upon such as short and long range planning.
Alderman Perez has also instigated and volunteered himself in clean up programs along 251, sledding at McKinley Park for families and volunteer landscaping and flower planting and watering in Peru at a savings to the community of nearly $50,000. Thank you Rod for your leadership

Anonymous said...

12:41 nananan....The point was, why should she indulge in this fantasy meeting if nothing was getting accomplished? She represents the people of Peru, not Rodney Perez.

Anonymous said...

she does represent the people of peru?

Anonymous said...

12:56 your savings of $50,000 is another fantasy of huge proportions. The highest bid was for all the landscaping, care, planting, watering, purchasing, year-round care of all city issues. Not a $50,000 difference for baskets, planters. Did you know many, many community groups and individuals clean up areas without press releases or parades? Sledding in the Park---free hot dogs and much more publicity for a few kids sled riding down a hill. Did they really need a Campaign, media blast, news release for a sled ride. Do you get the approach?

Anonymous said...

4:03 - yes they did need to let the paper know about it. The funny thing is, if the sledding event was left up to Boss Harl and his cronies, there would have been a cash bar set up and the hot dogs would have cost $7.50.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:03 No my claim that Alderman Perez has saved Peru $50,000 is extremely conservative and not another fantasy of huge proportions. This coming year is only one year of savings, conveniently you have forgot or you didn't know that Rod and a volunteer group planted flowers and Rod watered them for the entire summer at only the cost of the flowers which at most was $1500. This was the volunteer group which has never received a thank you from the city or any city officials other than Alderman Perez.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:03 Lets not disregard signage similar to the 14 displays made up to let everyone know who was responsible for the road work last year. There surely would have to be a sign for every direction at $1500 to $2,000 each.

Anonymous said...

There was a liquor store on 8th and Peoria at the mini mall which was shut down several months ago but is still fully stocked. Why was this store shut down and with the number of liquor licenses in Peru a town of 10,000 at most, the liquor commissioner surely cannot be thinking of changing any classifications or increasing the number of licenses issued. The number of licenses issued are now too many for a town of 10,000 and should be reduced rather than reclassified or increased.

Anonymous said...

Yes, why was this liquor store shut dow? Let's be honest, selling to minors when their boss is away? Just as the BP does located right next door to the Peru Police station!?

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:39 AM Is this liquor store closed down because they sold to minors? If they are closed because of this reason, how long a time frame is the license pulled for? Maybe it is still fully stocked because someone else of the same family is going to obtain the next city liquor license. Was there ever a reason for its closing published in the paper? I was always under the opinion that a city liquor commissioner was to scrutinize a individuals background and screen him/her extensively before issuing a liquor license. In the last 10 years how many licenses have been pulled?

Anonymous said...

The convenient store sold more than liquor to minors . its no secret the task force was watching them for dealing drugs . that's why they were shut down .

Anonymous said...

Was this published in the paper?

Anonymous said...

Its been shut down for more than a year now . yet all the product is still in there .

Anonymous said...

Who were the owners and where are they from? Do they own the mini mall or are they leasing? Isn't this the same mini mall that Ald. Waldorf has his business in? What does he or the Building Inspector, or the liquor Com. know about it?

Anonymous said...

For crying out loud to do a through check on a person who wants a liquor license, why would they? When a through resume/bio isn't a requirement when getting an appointed city position in peru. Qualifications/experience must not be a requirement evidently. I can say that there have been over the years underage people drinking in some bars where as city employee who are suppose to be role models have witnessed and allowed being as it was a relation. Peru is the laughing stock of the illinois valley. One thing we do have is a few decent businesses to shop in.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1204 PM
Why would the liquor commissioner of a town do a thorough check on a person who wants a liquor license? The best reason I can give you is that by law he is supposed to.
He is not only responsible of checking the persons background he is to make sure the person is of good character. I did not say that the liquor commissioner is to make sure the applicant is a character but that he is of good character.