Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Part 2 of the Recreation Board Mtg
This meeting was videoed by 2 different people and this happens to be Part II. Note how the Board president states they are hoping to be the "cause" planned for this summer by Merry Noonan so they can build a pickleball court. Excuse me I thought this was a charity concert not a benefit for the recreation board.
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Can you believe that this committee is sending a letter of request to Ms. Noonan's concert for a cause for a new pickleball court. Ridiculous!! That is not a cause and besides, the city hands over $75,000 to that committee every year.
I can't believe Ms. Noonan would even consider their request. How selfish to ask for a Pickleball court (a game intended for the over 50 crowd of which there are about 20 players) when the playground equipment is in such disrepair and we have no swimming pool. Ignorance and arrogance at its finest.
listen to the video. ignorance and arrogance are a big part of the conversation on the part of the president of the board. if you also pay attention you will see questions never get answered.
The rec board is right. A decision was made and you have to move on.
9:41 If you are talking about pickleball, a decision was made illegally, based on fraudulent information, compromise was ignored and yes it is almost time to move on- to a different court.
9:41 - Multiple illegal decisions were made. It is not time to move on.
Stefan Bernal
How many years has Mr. Hartman been on the Park Commision? When did Mr. Hartman become President of the Park Commission?
What has prevented Mayor Harl from becoming involved or at least making his thoughts be heard?
The President of the Park Board admits that he will not move the PROBLEM? When a lawyer bounces that off the wall in a court room the closest pickle ball court will be in Canada. How many ways can Hartman say I'm guilty? What has happened to Peru, it was such a nice community?
"Get over it". How rude.
9:41 responding. Please do not think I am downplaying your concerns. What I am saying is if they made a decision on where to have pickleball at least for now, then it is a done deal. If you have lawyers and you are going to go through all of that and you are right then you will prevail.
I have nothing to do with this issue but I actually watched the video and the person talking for the board (assuming that is Hartman) speaks correctly. A decision was made. That is all I am saying.
So 8:21 you're saying any decision made is written in stone. If it is found to be a problem, no compromise will be made. Hartman sounded just like Harl when the Venture Drive business owners came to the council for a compromise. Pig headed and stubborn. Both of these so called "leaders" need to go.
@ President Hartman: I have just started reading this blog and after seeing this video I am curious as to what were the many things you state you offered those citizens that were at the meeting. If this is indeed true why would they still be attending your meetings?
Anon 5:28 I agree with your comment. When it comes to the Peru Park Board and the way Hartman carries on, rude is a perfect description.
If Scott Harl has not as Mayor of Peru taken corrective actions on the conduct of this board and its President I can only conclude that his main reason for running is to hold the title of Mayor but that he ignores the responsibilities.
Hands off management is great when everything is sailing right along but no matter who you are or what your position is you have to plug the hole in the ship when it is sinking. Gulp, Gulp, Gulp, Gurgle, Gurgle, HELP, MAN OVERBOARD!
Possibly Harl would make a good alderman but since he does not care to become actively involved with leadership ideas he should refrain himself from another four years as Mayor.
These charity events and the city relationship is getting just more and more blurry. Charity concerts that are really for profit, Taxpayer subsidizing private events, people paying for charity concerts to raise money for the legal defenses of the rec board (because thats what they will need it for, not a new court).
You get a hot mess when you try to mix charity, government and business. Liberty, Concerts ...
Whatever happened to Governments doing their job, Concert Promoters openly throwing concerts to entertain and make money, taxes paying for public education and business donating to separate charities ?
This is just becoming a retirement plan for lawyers and accountants.
I am not sure what the proper protocol is regarding members who serve in an unpaid capacity on city committees. I don't believe it is written in the ordinance that they shall maintain proper decorum and treat residents or plaintiffs with respect. Does something like that need to be written, isn't it common sense. That is just common sense.
But since the members of all volunteer committees and there are many within the city structure, serve at the pleasure of the mayor with the approval of the council, shouldn't there be a certain amount of discreet watchfulness on the part of both of those parts of the government, particularly the mayor. Does he bear part of the responsibility for monitoring the behavior and decisions of these members? Think of the possibilities if no one is watching and no one in the government even cares. This hand off attitude is going to destroy this city. A citizen can be told to be quiet or be smirked at but a committee member can do whatever. There is a problem.
Does anyone know if Mr. Hartman was aware that the meeting was being recorded?
9:37 AM
The video recorders were in plain view, I believe one was an IPad. Hard to hide them. This is not the first time Mr Hartman has behaved like that.
Lois: If he indeed was aware of the IPad then his behavior is an embarrassment to the entire city of Peru and is a poor example of a mayoral appointment.
Why do you think Mr. Hartman would treat these neighbors with such disrespect? Regardless whether he agrees with them or not they do not deserve to be told to "get over it". Sometimes a decision is wrong and creates a "problem" which Mr. Hartman acknowledged. And remember this "problem" can be easily rectified without a great expense to the city. Just a roll of duck tape and the problem is solved. Voila!
8:21 You are absolutely right a decision was made. However, many are not aware that the decision was made in violation of the OMA, without any investigating as to the noise involved, without any input or questions asked to the neighborhood or to those who played tennis daily, and a decision that was voted upon by the wife of its' ambassador. And, no matter what decision was made members of a government committee should not display such arrogant behavior to citizens who appear to just be asking questions.
What is the decorum or proper protocal for those individuals that continue to belittle the members of the boards? Those that claim illegal, conflict of interest, bully members appointed and elected. And stand behind free speech. I would expect that it should be respectful both ways.
10:41 AM
Please give us an example. I have been personally bullied at a council meeting by both Ald Waldorf and Ferrari for simply asking a questions. Please don't ever forget the smirk and Mayor Harl for his selective hearing.
And now you say......
Elected officials can be criticized because they are in the public arena and make decisions affecting the public. Same with committees.
Ever hear any nasty comments about our President?
Management is no substitue for leadership! When you don't make a attempt, at either management or leadership, you end up with dormancy and tend to go backwards. This backward trend becomes evident as everyone who is moving forward passes you by.
Please utilize the above and fill in your thoughts as you feel they are appropriate!
10:41 Please explain how and where and when individuals have belittled board members. If you mean when they ask them appropriate questions like "what are your plans for the future?" or "have you given any more thought to this or that?" or "can we compromise?" etc. etc. Listen to the video closely. Questions asked by those in attendance were asked diplomatically and with respect. Unlike the answers that were given to them my Mr. Hartman. And this also includes an alderman. Appropriate? I think not.
does anyone care about the sunset park rez? u know there are ppl that live their- but as long as everyone else is ok forget it robbing peter to pay paul
This Rec Board has been behaving like they own the parks as their private property and seem to have forgotten that these are public parks maintained by the city with tax payer dollars. In fact 50,000 of their budget is a levy required by the state to be used for recreation and that means for the general public living in the city of Peru. The Mayor likes to say we welcome everyone from everywhere to our parks but that does not mean that their wants come first.
10:41 Are you saying that residents should no longer attend public meetings, makes comments, ask questions, and give up their right of freedom of speech, and not take an interest in what is going on around them. We should just let government alone and control us? And please be specific as to where on the video the board members are being belittled and bullied by those in attendance?
The residents around the court at Sunset park were approached and asked if they would have a problem with pickle ball for one year. Their response was "no". As a matter of fact one of the closest residents was at a meeting and said he had no problem with park noise. So yes, 11:43, the Sunset Park residents were taken care of unlike the 28th Street Park residents who were given no consideration what-so-ever.
11:43 AM
It sounds like you live around Sunset Park, so I have a question for you.
I have been reading the Rec Board minutes from exactly one year ago today and on it is the statement.
Sunset needs new equipment on the east side and sand. Has any of this been done for you?
The only thing I don't understand is how the members of the rec. board continue to break the law. It is such a bad representation of the city and a terrible example for people aspiring to go into law or politics. They are continuing to vote on proposals without first posting it to the agenda. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is tax payer money. Whenever you are dealing with the pockets of the people, you must alway post the idea to the community first so that public opinion can follow. The members of the board are sending an awful message.
I am 24 years old and it baffles me how some of these representatives are acting. How the things they are doing as a council can go unscathed is astounding to me. I really hope something is done about this. The open forum may be hearing from me if the criminals dont shape up.
I will be sure to inform the youth of Peru about current Peru politics and will encourage them into the voting booth.
Stefan Bernal
I am truly sorry you are learning this lesson Stefan. Unfortunately, Peru has been held hostage by big fish in a little pond for a long time. Small town business people and certain family names have become so enamored with themselves over these generations that They have begun to believe Peru is not only the "leader of the Valley", but the leader of the free world. The narcissism runs so deep here it is almost unbearable to people with half a brain. Unfortunately, that is the reason that so many young people can only see a life outside of this place. Many of these leaders are in love with a past that no longer exists, and almost all their poor decisions reflect a latent desire to be Rock Stars , Pro Athletes, and Millionaires.
It does not leave much hope for the youth that want a city that is a Partner in the Valley, one that welcomes new blood without the clannish reactions and closing of ranks. I do not envy the youth of this town.
But know there are a few who continue to fight the fight and stand up to these few folks who have had small success and never left high school. I hope we hear more from you and the other young people. Take your town back.
DO YOU THINK BRYAN HARTMANN CAN THINK FOR HIMSELF? OR IS HE PRESSURED BY MR. PICKLEBALLS WIFE, THE SECRETARY OF THE REC. COMMISION? I THINK THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE.
Most of you contributors are so incorrect it is unbelievable. You dismiss the fact and an alderman brings up this subject that has already been voted on time and time and wastes time of volunteers at this meeting.
Ald. Mayszak was soundly defeated by a vote of 6 to 2 when she tried to move this sport to another location.
Who Cares about a lawsuit in Rockford Illinois.
Lois has stated at City council meetings people from other towns should not influence the city of Peru with their opinions about this sport.
Remember Lois?
Peru has a perfect site for pickle ball and horseshoes were the noise will not bother anyone. Veterans Park. Allow the pickleball players to develop and maintain a grass court on their own as there is more than enough space in Veterans Park. After all if it is good enough for the children to play in it should be acceptable for their parents and grandparents.
9:45 There is definitely a conflict of interest there. Not only should she have left the room when her husband presented his plan she should definitely not haave voted on the issue. Her and her husband should have also told their committee that this was a noisy game and that some studies should be done prior to initiating it on a court known to be 20 feet from homes. The committee should have also surveyed the neighborhood as to see how the people who played tennis on this court felt about it being eliminated. Just as they surveyed those homes far away from Baker Lake with regards to the fireworks. This seems as though it is once again a typical small town issue, if your not influential in the community they just don't care. We see that happening over and over again and our young people see that and want to leave as soon as they can.
6:58 You obviously do not know the entire story of how this game came about and the problems it is causing where ever it appears. Listen to the video carefully - apparently Mr. Hartman cares about Rockford's lawsuit because he keeps referring to it.
I care about the lawsuit in Rockford because I was intimately involved in gathering background information , and it is a much weaker case than the one here. You have neighbors here who have been much more tolerant and patient than in other municipalities. The city here wants lawsuits, the neighbors are more interested in compromise.
I made a promise I would not comment on this blog topic anymore until the neighbors made up their minds, but this video is just too juicy and damning.
This group just wants fireworks of all kinds and I have seen their type before. They will not compromise, they will not follow laws they think are silly, and they will not respond at all until they are served.
Above all, they see themselves as victims and sympathetic parties. Clueless. Just Clueless.
6:58. What about the innocent citizens who have a problem with a government's decisions? Who is supposed to stand up and protect them from those who have power over them? All the Rec Board needs to do is move pickleball to Sunset Park for one summer, a compromise, but they refuse even though they claim to only want "a place to play". It doesn't have to be at 28th Street Park, where it is already known to be a problem. I asked the neighbors of Sunset Park if they would be willing to try pickleball there, and they were okay with trying it for one summer.
Did you know that Rockford implemented their pickleball program on a 3 year trial basis and used duct tape to mark the lines? The decision in Peru was made in violation of the OMA and no testing was done before the decision was made to spend taxpayer money to permanently change that tennis court.
I will not give up on this issue until it is moved. It is wrong and unfair. If this administration will not act on this mess, I certainly hope the new administration to be elected in April will see how unjust this issue is and realize the fair and proper thing to do is move it. This is another question I will be asking each mayoral candidate.
Sherry Mayszak
11:02 If you are really interested in this situation we (the neighbors) would welcome any help or suggestions you could provide us. Contact us and we will respect your privacy if you so desire.
As fast as this committee was to give permission to a guest to implement an unknown new program, they are being that slow in awarding the fireworks to the company with the best bid. I believe this controversy has been going on since September and they still haven't finalized the deal. They didn't even know which one of them signed the contract in previous years. They assumed Mr. Kelsey but since he was not present they had no answer. And, when they were asked why they didn't want to use Sunset for pickleball they replied "because of the vandalism". Yet, it is apparently okay for the girls to play softball there, and people to play tennis and basketball, and for kids to play on the playground equipment. If it's indeed that bad then we should take a lesson from Mendota and close that park as Mendota closed their skate park because of vandalism.
1:13. At the recent rec board meeting one of the committee members had said there were "security issues" in regards to having pickleball at Sunset Park.
Sherry, you will get your wish with a new administration. You just might not like the new answers. If your asking a Mayoral candidate what there views on pickleball will be, you may as well ask them if they support space exploration in Peru. And you scream violations in the open meetings act, are you not a public official. And what have you done to help those residents that are upset about the preceived violation of the law? Have you contacted the Attorney General or filed a lawsuit?
Justin, are you buying the idea that their are security issues at Sunset but there are not similar security issues at any other city park.
Disband this Recreation Board, create a different concept of governing the parks and recreation and put all new people on the next group of representation. This board and the people on it have outlived their time and usefulness to the city.
Four years has been too long a time frame to debaste fireworks, concerts on government property, Pickle ball, shabby and non maintained playgroung equipment and public parks, hiring of more summer help than when a swimming pool was open and for what to cut grass when the grass did not grow all summer or not eliminating poison ivy in public parks, to empty garbage cans and water flower pots downtown every Saturday. Want another reason to disband it and start all over is that if it is not doing any good and is rapidly upsetting citizens get rid of it immediately. No other small city is having the problems with its Rec Bd. as Peru is. Why? The reason is not because this board is getting so much accomplished for the City of Peru.
This town needs someone who wants to take charge not just shine their own parade brass, glad hand and ride the fire truck and city float.......
How about creating a Park District, you can then vote for your own board just like a school board and the taxes are levied for the park district then you don't have to worry about anything with the City politics anymore. Princeton has a park district and they are doing very well.
2:20. No, I was just stating what was said at the previous rec board meeting.
Justin: In your comment you directly address security issues with pickleball, yet no other activities at Sunset Park. WHY? Wouldn't security issues affect all activity at that park? What are you trying to tell us?
4:21 p.m. Perhaps I am being misunderstood. What I am saying is that from what I heard at the most current Rec Board meeting, one of the reasons pickleball wasn't implemented at Sunset Park was because of "security issues." If there was a "part 3" to the Rec Board meeting it would have been recorded. I wasn't the only individual present at that meeting, I would assume that the other citizens at that meeting heard the same thing I did. If you have any more questions don't be afraid to ask.
2:03 PM
You do sound like the people who do not believe a violation of the OMA is a big deal. Let me tell you it is because it says something about the character of those who sit on that board. I did report a violation and other people have also and I believe are in current contact with the Atty. Gen. office once again. I realize our current mayor thinks it is not a big deal but what he thinks at this point does not even matter as he has given up his leadership over this board and the people he appointed. It is not something that needs to be done by an alderman and most frequently is not. It is usually the average person who sees wrong and does something about it.
From the tone of your voice whoever you are supporting for mayor hopefully does not agree with you. Corruption in city government is not OK.
Justin: I understand what you are saying and you are correct that the Rec Board keeps referring to security issues at Sunset Park. The point I am trying to make is that if it is not safe for adults playing pickleball then it certainly should not be safe for children to play baseball, tennis, basketball, or on the playground equipment.
2:03. I have not contacted the AG or an attorney on the residents' behalf. These residents are intelligent people. They have already contacted the appropriate people.
I have gone to their homes and listened to the sound of Pickleball. I have listened to their complaints. No other alderman or the mayor has done this. They contacted their 1st ward aldermen and their pleas fell on deaf ears. They contacted me next because I am on the Public Property Committee and that committee covers parks.
I brought this matter to a committee meeting twice. I was told "this mess is all my fault" and I was told to "shut up" by a Pickleball player. I then brought this matter to the full council to be voted on, for the other aldermen to hear the residents concerns and pleas. I offered a compromise of playing at Sunset Park for one summer. The vote was 6 to 2 against my compromise. I was told by another alderman that if it was anybody but these two residents, they would have been in favor of allowing it to go to Sunset. That is so wrong.
I have contacted the residents in Rockford that are now involved in a lawsuit, and I have contacted the Rockford Park District to hear their side of the story.
All I can say is "walk a mile in their shoes". I believe the residents have been extremely patient. I will not stop defending them. This is far from over.
Sherry Mayszak
I attended the meeting on Tuesday night, this was not the first Rec. meeting I have attended and I must admit this committee should attend a class on "how to conduct a meeting'. People to start a Horseshoe League made a presentation. The committee asked questions how many players, what time, how long will the season last? Th presenters answered all. The presenters asked the committtee questions: How many pits and is lighting close by, There answer: Don't know! If approached with a question an answer should be given period. They had no idea. Well for their info and everyone else 12 pits are located in the park and lighting is somewhat. The pits are in terrible condition. In my opinion they were not not prepared to answer any questions asked. I believe they should have investigated the area and be informed not only for the presenters but for the citizens who will reply. This is an appointed committee by the Mayor if they are out of bounds on procedures the mayor should stepin. If nothing else have the city attorney at the meetings to inform them of proper meeting procedures or replace them and the city attorney. If the meeting to approve picklball was not done under the OMA correctly then the Mayor should have had the minutes and the vote thownout. It amazing how many of you people comment on the subject but I can count one one hand how many were really there. If you want to stay anon. fine. If you are really concerned be involved. I AM READY! By the way the ice rink was a backdoor deal. The money came from the (mayors fund) general fund. Why not the Rec. Fund? They still could not get it erected in time. More poor mismanagement.
Thank you Ald. Mayszak for your steadfast honesty and living up to the oath you took when you were sworn in as an alderman. Mayor Harl should be proud of you as you take your job as an elected official with determination to do what is right for your constituents and those you serve as a member of the public property committee. The city of Peru and particularly the residents of the second ward can be thankful that you were appointed and that you are seeking re election to the office you hold.
Many of us in the first ward would like to be able to vote for you as we have been so poorly served by our elected aldermen in the last few years but we can only wish you the best of luck.
Lois you are correct, I wish my wife and I could vote for Alderwoman Mayszak because the first ward aldermen will do nothing, for their constituents.
I hope the new alderwoman running is a carbon copy of Mayszak. Could we be so lucky?
If there are "security issues" at Sunset Park, as per Mr. Zbrowski's comments on the video, what is the Rec Board, the police department, and our city council doing to rectify the issues? Or is this just another excuse being used by the Rec Board? I would assume then that the tennis net will not be put back up until the issue is solved. Also, has the rec board or anyone else from the city warned users of the park of the potential danger?
Mr. Hartman made a comment in the video addressing the many compromises that they made regarding the pickleball noise issue. This peaked my curiosity so I went to the city web-site to review the minutes of their previous rec board meetings. Could someone please inform me as to where I can find these multiple compromises suggested by Mr. Hartman as they were not listed in any meeting minutes. Because of all the controversy with this issue I would have thought any suggestions by the board would have been implemented in their minutes to protect themselves.
Sherry, you whine about injustice and say that the residents should contact the AG office. Cop out. Your the self-appointed representative of these few individuals, why don't you call the AG office? Your using words like violations of the law, lawsuits, stating the 1st Ward Aldermen are not serving the public. Questioning the Rockford Park District?
I live in the area by Washington Park and I hear baseballs hitting bats and parking is real bad. Would you consider this and move all baseball games? This game of Pickleball is played by a few people a few hours a week in the daylight of a public park. You describe this like its Beirut or public school segregation. And the game of pickleball is not played during the cold weather(Nov-March). ok, we all get the idea that your a elected official and nobody can tell you to "shut up". Big deal.
10:26 PM
I posted your comment so I could pick apart your lies.
1. Sherry does not whine, she works for justice in this city.
2. She does not tell residents to contact the AG, we are smart enough to know that is what we need to do. Many people have been contacting the AG during the past 4 years for not following the laws of Illinois by the city of Peru.
3. First ward aldermen do not help the people and it has been a long time since any have. Frank S. and Paul P. were good alderman but it has gone done hill in the 1st since then.
4.Washington Park has not added any new sports to that park in years if ever, so if you live near it they were playing baseball, tennis and even swimming when you bought your house.
5. I don't know if you play pickleball or a rec board member but it is evident you have a horse in the race. Again a person with no name, it is so easy to blast people and not have either the decency or courtesy to identify yourself as you hide in anonymous. Not too brave are you but your mouth is sure flapping.
When you do the job you were elected to do (represent the citizens of Peru) as aldermen Mayszak and Perez are trying to do you get frowned upon and chastised by the rest of this administration. It's frustrating to those who are seeking answers and solutions to problems but who have no one to turn to except these two representatives. I have heard many citizens state that they've phoned their aldermen numerous times with no response. And to think that the mayor is allowing the appointed president of one of his committees to speak to an alderman and citizens the way he does is unbelievable. Wake up citizens of Peru. VOTE and vote wisely.
Lois in regard to your comment to 10:26 and his/her lies, I'm not seeing how you exposed the lies. What were the lies? You saying that Sherry does not whine is "exposing a lie"? Really?
As for his/her "mouth flapping" how is that any different than the other comments on here, including mine? Anonymous mouth flappers, isn't that the idea? If you required names and details you obviously would run out of comments in a hurry.
And your point about four years of all of these people contacting the attorney general, how has that gone? What has happened with all of these crimes? Where are the charges? Who is going to jail? And for what, specifically? The old blog swore of the many crimes and how "Baker and his boys" were going to jail.
I am not saying this to be a wiseguy and if you even let this go through I am sure it will be widely criticized. I am not defending bad public service but these allegations of big laws being broken and all of the conspiracies and rumors just take away from any intelligent discussion or solution.
This stupid pickle ball thing is a small handful of people who were voted down by the rec board, Sherry took it to the city council and it got beat 6 to 2. That is how it works, and it is over. Vote in your new people and have another vote. Or maybe this time the AG will come through and save us all from the evil pickle ballers.
My belief is if outdoor concerts, pickle ball and fireworks are the biggest things to ridicule public servants (and flawed ones at that) about, then maybe our town isn't so bad after all. If you have lived other places you wold understand that.
We are not perfect but at some point can we focus on the bigger issues in our community? You have a public forum where some intelligent discussion could take place but it's the same old stuff all of the time.
All complaining and rumors, and no solutions or moving forward. Pretty sad.
How many years has baseball been played in Washington Park?
I can remember the Twilight League in the latter 40's, and also the hotly contested softball league of the 50's.
The tennis courts have been located where the are presently since the latter 40's.
Veterans pool was opened in 1928.
Youth baseball was being played in 1950 and the boys uniforms were a tee shirt with the team name and sponsor on it and a baseball cap. Games were played on the present Little League Diamond.
There was a team of little and pony league age named the East End Kids which was real good and traveled to different towns and used Washing Park as their home diamond. This also had to be in the 50's.
There were major league barnstorming teams playing at the park with the a big canvas fence put up for home runs.
Professional wrestling exibitions were conducted in the park with top draw names.
The Negro League woud have games at Washington Park.
There was a racetrack aroung the park and playground equipment.
Boys Parkview and Jim and Marge built the first home across the street from the Park but this was long after all of these activities and many, many more had been in existence.
Just remembered there was also a ice skating rink, ice cream socials and fireworks on the 4th of July.
Would others bring back some of the good old days of Washington Park.
Anon 10:26 I have already mentioned that Veterans Pool was opened in 1928 so doing the math if you were buying your home than
at the chrnological age of 25 in 1928 you would now be 110 years old.
Sherry Mayszak Said: I will not stop defending them. This is far from over.
What is over is your time on the City Council of Peru. You will have to defend them as a resident of Peru.
This is the one committee that you have oversight on and you failed to even attend a meeting while this program was being implemented. Now you want to come to the rescue of residents who have complaints. You handled the situation so poorly you could only get one more vote when it came before the council.
It is hard to believe you have the confidence to even run for alderman.
Residents of Peru, do you not know that this Ald. is also in charge of supervising the parks mait. and their cleanliness. The only thing she did was get a swing oiled so it would not squeak anymore. We need an alderman that attends meetings and watches over the committees and gets maintenance issues taken care of on the committees they are appointed to.
So many of you bloggers don't know who is in charge of which program and who has the duties of supervision. Failure of leadership is the problem here and you should realize it is not the duties of people you are blaming in you posts. One last thought remember, alderman Sherry was on the pool committee and how is that progressing?
Mike H. said...
I attended the meeting on Tuesday night, this was not the first Rec. meeting I have attended and I must admit this committee should attend a class on "how to conduct a meeting'. People to start a Horseshoe League made a presentation. The committee asked questions how many players, what time, how long will the season last? Th presenters answered all. The presenters asked the committtee questions: How many pits and is lighting close by, There answer: Don't know! If approached with a question an answer should be given period. They had no idea. Well for their info and everyone else 12 pits are located in the park and lighting is somewhat. The pits are in terrible condition. In my opinion they were not not prepared to answer any questions asked. I believe they should have investigated the area and be informed not only for the presenters but for the citizens who will reply. This is an appointed committee by the Mayor if they are out of bounds on procedures the mayor should stepin. If nothing else have the city attorney at the meetings to inform them of proper meeting procedures or replace them and the city attorney. If the meeting to approve picklball was not done under the OMA correctly then the Mayor should have had the minutes and the vote thownout. It amazing how many of you people comment on the subject but I can count one one hand how many were really there. If you want to stay anon. fine. If you are really concerned be involved. I AM READY! By the way the ice rink was a backdoor deal. The money came from the (mayors fund) general fund. Why not the Rec. Fund? They still could not get it erected in time. More poor mismanagement.
2:05 PM
You were always free to bring those bigger things to light but you haven't had them sent in.
2:14 PM
Your comment does show that you don't know what was going on with the implementation of the game that occurred in January of 2012. There was a meeting in January of 2012 which was a violation of the OMA no notice of a pickleball vote was there, no public notice in other words. And yes it was brought up and voted upon and approved. The public property committee consists of 2 members and they share the responsibility so perhaps you might ask Ald. Ankiewicz about it since he also running for re election.
2:14 You seem to forget or you just plain don't realize that this program (pickleball) was initiated without anyone's knowledge (except for the ambassador's wife Mrs. Grabowski). Mr. Grabowski was listed on the Rec Board agenda as a "guest". Nothing else. After his presentation the Rec Board voted to let him order the necessary equipment for the game. Because it was not posted on the agenda as an issue and one to be voted upon it violated the OMA. So, if committees fail to post a detailed agenda, someone would have to attend each and every meeting to make sure that things like this don't continue to happen. And 2:14 believe you me this has nothing to do with how alderman Mayszak or the neighbors handled this situation. It has to do with politics and who the people involved are. It was even stated by one alderman that the game would be moved if it wasn't for the people involved. Maybe if you attended as many meetings as we have and been treated the way we have you might be a little more understanding of the whole ordeal, but I doubt it. We just wanted some kind of compromise and got NOTHING! Mr. Hartman states in the video that they offered us numerous compromises? Believe you me that is far from the truth and as you heard he refused to even give one example.
2:05 I have lived other places and crap like that would never have happened because they would have been booted out of office and the papers would have been all over them. Some of the issues you mentioned are not serious to you. Most likely because they do not affect you.
These people who say you live by a park, get over it use flawed logic and no reasonable comparisons.
As far living in other places, Pickleball would never have been approved two feet from a residence, a city would not help throw fake charity concerts using taxpayer money, fireworks contracts would be bid out. The reason we end up talking about these really stupid little things is because THEY ONLY HAPPEN HERE.
I am sorry it gets in the way of your BIG issues, but wondering why the AG has Not come in and put everyone away? Come on. They barely can take care of the load they have. Until it hits the papers, they don't even budge. Government gets run right when people get off their butts and stand up to these small town bullies.
You want the AG to really act. Get a few dozen complaint forms in and stop calling the Kristys and Lois names cause they are or have been at least trying.
10:26 am 2/16. I don't think anybody should be told to shut up. It's rude and disrespectful. Being an alderman has nothing to do with it. I also live near Washington Park, but not 20 feet away from the tennis court. There are 2 noises that irritate me very much. If one of them was implemented 20 feet from my house and there wasn't a thing I could do about it, I would hope my alderman would fight for me.
2:14 pm 2/16. The squeaky swings is a funny (not) story. I called the police and asked for them to come to 28th St. Park and take a decibel reading. The officer who came to do the reading, complained about the squeaky swings. I told him I would ask that it be fixed. I emailed the SPW and asked that it be oiled, but did not identify who made the request. Somehow everybody assumed it was these two residents who have issues with pickleball. No, it was the police officer.
You see what these residents are up against and why I will not stop? Whether I win or lose this election doesn't matter. If this goes to court, I will testify. Plus I will be happy knowing when a resident called me I listened to them, I went to their home to hear their complaint and I did my best to try to rectify this situation, so I will walk away with my head held high no matter the outcome of this election.
Now I am off to work on this beautiful Sunday. Everybody have a great day!
Sherry Maysak
I am an avid reader of this blog and even though it seems that the rec board members and some other readers think the complaints about the pickleball noise are not a 'PROBLEM' why do alderman Ankiewicz and president Hartman keep referring to it as 'A PROBLEM'? They repeatedly state that they don't want to move 'THE PROBLEM' to Sunset Park. Just curious!!
I agree with 2:05 Feb. 16. There really are some big issues that could use some attention, such as the drug problem that exists in out community and the fact that drug paraphanalia is sold legally right on main street. Transportation for seniors is an issue in Peru, as is the struggling stores in our mall. Poverty is on the increase, and many of the new jobs in our city don't pay enough to raise a family. In a perfect world, nobody would be bothered by noise while at home, fundraisers would not be necessary, and everybody would tell the truth and work for the greater good. Wouldn't that be nice.
People wake up the Attorney Generals office is useless as is the LC States Attorney on many issues that were/are worthy of their attention.
Democrats stick together regardless of what is happening in Peru-just ask the 2008 Obama transition team. Drugs, tax evasion, illegal gambling, corruption, etc.
This blog is USELESS the POWER is too strong and goes much further than Peru.
The blog is not useless. If your and others input into the blog has more integrity than the so called POWER that you spoke of will lose to the blog.
If the blog was to receive assistance from the newspaper and radio station plus other organized groups you would see a rapid improvement of the area. When have you ever heard any of the local media investigating the combining of LaSalle Peru and advantages and diadvantages of each.
2:05 PM
I have not lived elsewhere but out children have and believe me I have been to many cities to visit. Even spent time in some of those places and I know that not all cities function as ours does. Most people in Peru can say much of the same. Hardly any of our friends have children that returned to Peru after college and that is sad and that is a problem for Peru that the college educated are not returning in big enough numbers.
The college educated are not returning in big enough numbers and college educated from others locations are not moving to Peru to replace them. To attract someone to move to Peru we need jobs.
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