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La Grotto wants more of your money. A pizza costs how much? A dollar from each to Little League.....what is the message we are getting?
We are in the process of adding up the city expenses so far from the last concert and will detail them to you when available.
88 comments:
Does this mean no donation from the last concert?
These things are becoming a joke.
Change the name and admit what you are, La Grottos.
No one cares around here, you throw a drinking party, people will still come. You can donate quietly. No wait, quiet donations are not your style.
Concerts for Noonan has a nice , folksy feel.
Some people really know how to play the pr game.
Very ignorant comment. What if a friend of yours had a business and offered to give a donation to charity, would you say the same thing?
la grotto is a joke pizza isnt good anyway.
11:05 you really think Concerts FOR A CAUSE is just a business deciding to give a donation tho a charity?
Yes, in the land of bizarro, you can pretend you are throwing CHARITY and BENEFIT concerts that are not... And say everyone should just know they are real just regular old concerts. Donation OPTIONAL.
If my friend had a business and did what this business had done, I would have sat them down a long time ago and told them, friend to friend,, you are gonna get your butt sued or charged.
Hopefully, I would choose better friends.
if i had a friend who had a business and pulleed BULLSHIT like this !!!!! they wouldn't be my friend any longer !!!!! concerts for noonan sounds good too me ! lets face it were all grown ups here ! arent we ?
Maria's Pizza in Peru and Bella's in LaSalle kick butt in quality and taste in regards to Pizza in the Illinois Valley. 3:54, you are so correct about friends.
6:12 PM
We had our first Bella's tonight and it has great taste and tell anyone you know that eats gluten free that they also make a gf pizza which is what we had. Not as great as the real crust but certainly better none.
Well, if you ask me, Lou's should not be giving money away until they start paying their employees more. The "cause" should be for the pizza workers. I think all the pizza workers should organize and demand more money! And insurance! That is the real cause, not a bunch of kids playing baseball. Pizza Trabajadores Entrega unirnos y demandar más dinero!
Can't stand LaGratto's pizza's. Way too much cheese. Family likes Lil Bella's. Now if they had a promotion, we would buy. Been ripped off too much by the whole charity for a cause concept. Noonan's pocket book cause?? LOL
From what I am hearing from those who should have knowledge about any donation to the Little League, there will be none. Little League provided much volunteer help during the concert and got nothing, it sounds like. Now the next question is how much did the city spend and how much did they receive. Wages paid to the PFD amounted to $1085.54 and lights 1700.82 are examples.
I saw on facebook that Lou's will be giving little league $1.00 per pizza sold for the next 30 days.
I would be very upset if I worked hard all day for a concert for my charity, and my charity ended up getting nothing.
Lois: As best as I can tell from the last 2 disbursements Peru has thus far spent $8,374.93 on the concert. Now, remember that is what has been documented thus far and I am sure there was labor charges incurred that we will never get figures on (just as we didn't on the bb gun club).
LET'S SEE THE CHECK FROM CITY WHERE THE. ITY PAID THE PERU FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE A GUT FEELING THAT THE LIBERTY FIRE COMPANY ACCOUNT PAID THE FIREMAN AND ITS BEING COVERED UP BECAUSE PEOPLE DONATE TO LIBERTY FOR DONATIONS TO BE USED FOR EQUIPMENT, ETC. REMEMBER THE STEAK DINNERS, etc, one blogger mentioned where money was spent? So, fireman got a check from city? Show us. OR SHOW US COPY OF CHECK IN WHICH WAS DRAWN ON WHICH ACCOUNT. Remember donation to operation promise being on wrong account supposedly!!!!!!!!!! Took two years to find mistake supposedly!!!!! Just sometimes doesn't add up. Has anybody noticed a lot of questions are not answered by the fd on MANY ISSUES FOR THE LAST FOUR+ YEARS. Don't forget who's friends with who. A lot of branches on that tree at city hall that branch out to departments.
Please stop the drama ....It is a nice gesture that Little League is getting $1.00 per pizza.
You have a few individuals that resent successful business owners. That will never change. I don't believe anybody cares that you prefer another pizza place. Thousands will continue to enjoy the pizza and efforts for charity made by Lou's. Thanks
9:39
What? Where? Who? Slow down and let us all know what you are talking about.
9:56 AM
It is evident that lots of people enjoy Lou's pizza and we should be happy that she has run a successful business for so many years.
I think most people that complain do so because of the cities involvement with this concert. Get the city out of the concert venue and I am betting you won't hear another word about LaGrotto unless someone is talking about the pizza.
McGraw ticket reimbursement $6000.00
Brantley Gilbert reimbursement $3543.00
Both concerts paid for on 8/12/13 but I yet to receive parking lot financial totals controlled by the City.
Kristy
It's my opinion Rodney would win the next election if he ran for mayor. Rodney could let the cat out of the bag on many things that have been covered up in the city. It's also my opinion that Rodney keeps a lot of things kept quiet and he knows the truth. RODNEY FOR MAYOR! GET RID OF ALL THE SNAKES. CLEAN HOUSE WITH RAT TRAPS!!!!!
11:30 Kristy
Looks like enough of them read the blog to stop using the IRS trigger of always lying...Er I mean reporting...everything in round numbers.
Yeah, that looks like about 9000, or 6000 people. Send the nice even check so the FAA will be happy. The city will give all of it back in services or somehow, some way.
Not this time... We counted exactly 3,543 tickets. Now if we knew what the band, concert management, and contractors charged, we could see how much the concert made/lost. We can predict pretty confidently that concessions were between 35000 and 70,000, and netted about 70 per cent profit. Unless these concert goers didn't spend like all other ones.
I don't see how the concert would have costt more than 30 k to put on this rime, maybe Tug was closer to 70. But its all speculation without knowing the figures... We just have to trust the promoter when they say they lost money.
And THAT is the problem with private business fake charity concerts. The charity seems to be the last line item paid. Many our city treasurer could come on and straighten all these figures out for us. Mr. Hylla is real smart about knowing all the dollars flowing in because of this tourism.
Parking lot financials could have possibly paid fd??? Where are liberty fire company's financial reports? Available to the public???? Are they posted??
How could the city not know how much they themselves collected parking cars? All they have to do is count the money.
11:45
please, stop the comedy!
Each vehicle, bus, limo should have gotten a stub/receipt with a number on it. Ticket number vs vehicles would have a amount of cash. Giving a stub makes for more honesty, therefore a twenty here or there couldn't be put in another pocket of pants. Just truthful. 101 accounting here. 5th grade math.
Anon 12:36PM Who ever gave you the idea that Tim McGraw only cost $70K to stage a concert? Will someone please inform 12:36 the real numbers for a Tim McGraw concert.
Linda, you make a impossible task of counting the money sound so easy. Someday sit down and start counting, real easy isn't it until you run out of fingers and toes.
If I am not mistaken ALL cash is to be received and paid to the treasurer per statute/duties? Perhaps the City attorney could provide the information since he billed the
city over 10 hours for legal research in April 2009 on this issue/position alone.
Kristy
Its cleary obvious to most that you are not in the concert prmotion business, Tim Mcgraw at $70,000? Gilbert at $30,000. Nice thought, in real terms you are looking at hundreds of thousands to stage a event of this size.
Anon 11:45 I've known Rodney for over 20 years. From conversations we've had especially over the past year. Seems he has no interest in running for mayor.
I do know by reading this blog that certain insiders don't like him. Outside the circle of city hall Rodney is a very well liked, genuine and respected guy. Rodney has been working with children and teenagers for many years and sure he has their votes if he ever chose to run for higher position. One thing I know politicians do is ignore the youth of a community. How soon they forget these kids are future voters.
I like HyVee Pizza better than all of them.
3:12 would you like to break it down for me? I was not including the artist fees, those are true unknowns. The 30 k and 70 k was facility , stage rental and , and venue fees and labor. The other promoters who have looked at it think it may be a little less because of the free labor.
I don't include city services because they are generally free taken off the top.
I got those fees from the event management company they use. If they are wrong, please list them.
Would you like me to post the breakdowns?
And if you think it's a few hundred thousand, then there should be a much bigger donation if you take the gross revenues from the alleged ticket counts.
One week of a busy hair cutting place(wonder where that could be) donating all monies from haircuts might add up to more donations to a charity more so than what this last concert donated from what I'm understanding from reading blogs.
Just out of curiosity, did the politicians claim the value of their tickets as donations on their quarterly reports? Or are they called bribes... whatever you want to call it.
7/00 that's a grey area. People can give things to other people, and unless there is an unusual pattern of gifts to civic authorities to get favored treatment or immunity from... Hey wait a minute, maybe you are on to something here lol.
Lois the days of "Concert for a Cause" being viewed as a reputable, honest and a chartable venue will be in question no matter where they are held at - private or public property.
It is very probable that the promoter has made a huge amount of of money from concessions and sponsors, that she has donated alot of money that several organizations would not have otherwise.
Presently the concerts and the $1 donation/pizza are going to have a backlash of ill feeling towards her own private business.
whether intentional or unintentional the presentation of the distribution of funds to non for profit organizations has not been completely explained properly.
The biggest flaw in the entire concert concept was the Mayor of Peru without any knowledge of his council joining in and allowing the city to be a partner of the concert at a huge expense to the city taxpayer. Someone, long ago, commented that public business should not intermingle with private business. They in time have proven to know what they were talking about. I do hope that Mayor Harl can say the same.
8:32 she has not donated a lot of money. The consumers supporting a charity fundraiser donated the money through their support. She has given a portion of the proceeds while promoting a benefit concert concept to create goodwill for her business.
If she was operating a at a loss and donated her money, you could say she was donating her money. If the concerts were presented as a true for profit commercial concert that gave a small portion of the proceeds, net or gross, then you could say she was giving to a charity.
But as it stands now she is using charities to make money for herself and create a false sense of goodwill for her business and marketing these concerts in a misleading way. It is a lot more simple than people want to make it.
I just wonder if she will get any more volunteers. Knowing that the charities received only $5,000 or nothing this year (not including the matching $5,000), who is going to volunteer in the future? It' too much work for not enough money. Been there, done that. Won't do it again.
Why dont you big mouths with your cyber mussels go ask MAry what she is doing and tell her all the crappy tough comments you make to her face. The concerts are not being forced down your throat to go. And I am sure some meatball here will say they are using the police force for traffic, etc Who cares if the cops help? Do you complain when the cops direct traffic after an LP football game. Seriously you are all a bunch of morons.
Anon 8:32 Who do you think would have recieved the money if the promoter did not donate it. I believe it would be the promoter. The consumer recieved something in return from the promoter for the money they spent. I maintain that she has donated alot of money no matter how you want to the story.
There are so many charity events that could be held that would make quite a bit more money for the charity than Noonan will ever make. Every event she has seems to give her private business more gain. Pizza for a $1? Give me a break. Just another example of how much more she will make by getting from all these families to come in and buy flour dough and sauce, overpriced drinks and huge profit soda's from her. The public is being so mislead and she is laughing her ass off all the way to the bank. Or her next contractor!!
if rodney wins for mayor or even runs ill move and bellas pizza is good boycott lagrotto!
More imagination from the outerlimits, without any facts.
The concert expenses were in the range of $475,000-$200,000 depending on the preformer.
Various charities have received in the range of $100,000 for the past concerts. They are requested to give a few hours of their time to help with the concert.
The City of Peru grants permission to use the airport and receives parking/ticket proceeds. Volunteers from the City park cars, no free tickets are issued for them or anybody associated with them. That includes the volunters for the concessions.
Many enjoy the ability to go to a local venue to listen to big time acts. The local economy has benefits in the fact that people buy gas, fill hotel rooms and buy locally. The concert promoter pays wages, buys local, pays taxes. They also pay for the fire, police.
The airport is a wonderful place for big events like a concert.
Why all the critical comments aimed at a private business.
Anon 9:41 Good question! Why all the critical comments aimed at a private business?
I suspect that your answer is in your question. All the critical comments are aimed at a private business being granted the use of a public facility and exclusive rights to all concessions, plus volunteers of each charity not being paid and the charity not getting a proportinate share of finances of the concert.
You have not stated any figures to support your claim that the local economy has benefited in ther fact that people buy gas, fill hotel rooms and buy locally nor have you addressed leakage. Since the concert is held in the far north end of Peru I do not think that people from other localities are spending much money in Peru, unless you are including the money they spend at the concert on beverages and food which becomes the property of the promoters.
Now that you have stated the concert expenses of $200K - $475K which I find to be on the conservative side. I'll say that the majority of these expenses are paid to the performer and for stage and transportation all of which leave Peru immediately after the concert.
In fairness to all taxpaying citizens of Peru it would be financially advisible to have you travel to the suburbs for your concerts.
9:41
The reason for all the negative comments is because it is a private business who has misrepresented these concerts, engaged openly in quid pro quo , given a low percentage of total proceeds, and utilized city services in an unusual manner (all due respects to the LP football game analogy). They are not a school, a civic event , or even a benefit concert. We are not morons, although you are dependent on most of the people here being morons.
You people present the concerts as a civic celebration and charity when it is in your interests, then want to take the profits and goodwill when it comes time to do the books.
The figures you toss out seem conservative if you include artists fees and are insane if you are NOT. If they include the artists fees, then a massive amount of proceeds are being kept, and this business , like all businesses, should be open about what exactly is the formula for donations.
The concerts cause net leakage , if your cost figures are right. That is an economic term meaning more area dollars leave than come in. Some people do very well, but if your figures are correct, then the sales tax and liquor sales do not add up. But I am guessing you knew that.
The dollar a pizza campaign is normal private business fundraising. The concerts are not.
I do not believe for one minute that these concerts bring in that much revenue to the city. I would suspect that most attendees drive to the concert and drive home immediately after. I would bet that the hotels do not see that big of an increase in bookings, if any.
1:02
Your response is quite slanted. Boarders on misinformed. The concert proceeds are used to calculate the donation, this has been evident in all past concerts.
Artists fees are high, go to Nashville and compare ticket prices. Your find the local fee to be very reasonable in comparision.
Leakage is a nice word. It would only apply to money lost in the course of sales. Do you believe that those who attended the concert would be spending those dollars at the local Mall? Many come from out of town and those dollars circulate many times over in our local economy. You can also make the assumption that those local ticket buyers spent their money in town instead of going to somewhere else with those same entertainment dollars.
1:59 PM
I am with you 100%, most of the traffic leaving the concert is going southbound to local communities even those who have had too much to drink already.
At that hour of the night already having spent money on tickets and undoubtedly refreshments at the venue, they are homebound. Money is not that plentiful as the city would like us to believe. Those that travel I80, I39 or even state routes are on their way home. The circulation or money is the game the city continually plays in hopes that the citizens believe it. The figures coming out tell another story.
BTW, this is not Nashville, not even close, I've been to Nashville. Smoke is getting kind of thick around the town.
Leakage is the correct term. The ticket sales dollars have two components. They are the dollars that remain here, and the ones that leave immediately.
70 percent of those ticket dollars or more leave, and they are the biggest chunk of sales dollars spent, A vast majority of the concert goers are day trippers. They spend between 15 and 30 dollars per person on concessions, by best estimate. They spend very little at any other place in the area on that day. The hotel bump was discussed and discounted last year. It's minimal.
The only way the concert even comes close to injecting any ticket money into the local valley economy is if 70 per cent or more come from outside the area. I do not suspect they do.
Your argument only applies to the profit, or net proceeds , and from ordinance and correspondence to the FAA I think those profits are supposed to go to charity. That does not seem to work out well, even though the charity is required to provide free labor.
If you have any specific numbers about any sales tax bump those weekends, I would welcome it. Also, any breakdown on non valley visitor percent would help. That would let us know what net dollars stay here (are actually reported) and multiply. The multiplier effect is often overstated, and if I knew exactly what the bump was each of those weekends I could tell you what the multiplier effect would be and compare it to the hundreds of thousands of local dollars pouring out and lining the pockets of entertainers and the Chicago event management.
Also, I have not seen this big differential in ticket price compared to other stops on the tour of each artist? Love to hear it, make sure you compare it to the current tour average, not the prior years.
I think it really is about the perception that it is nice to have big name talent here. We do need something to look forward to since the administration is not bringing in any real jobs or offering/promoting recreation for kids. We are doing well overpaying for demolition and driving out our industries. Keeping the common folk drunk and happy is an old trick of short sighted leaders.
2:44 please explain the proceeds calculation so evident from all past concerts.. Some of the highest gate proceeds provided the smallest donations? Is it percentage of ticket? Or is it all proceeds like the ordinance implies?
I have never been able to figure out any of it, seems like they give or don't give whatever they want.
Another 3:34 cloudy day forcaster.
4:34
From all that, you take away it's a cloudy day forecaster.
A negative Nellie. A party pooper.
Sometimes I think some of you pro concert folks could be caught by the rest of us holding a smoking gun over a dead body and would look at us and say, "Call the Peru police. This guy just stole one of my bullets and buried it in his stomach."
Please, it's not negative to point out the things that are wrong, and it does not make you right by just saying the blog is negative. I can't make this Concert series less seedy or more beneficial to the local economy by saying "rah rah, great job, let's all help the troops and be positive."
That's the Miller Groups job.
I have an idea. Let the city clerk's office sell the tickets and then we should know exactly how much we should get back in fees. ?? Ask long as our fearless leader doesn't give them all away like he does the city.
And a ticket for the Grand Ole Opry with some of the biggest names appearing costs $44. Refreshment cost as much as the airport concessions however.
Speaking of events, did anybody notice that 60,000 people came to Mendota last week? NOT PERU! but MENDOTA!! Has Peru had even a total of 60,000 people come to events in the last 10 years. LOTS of volunteers putting together a project of that magnitude. Kind of like Ottawa's Riverfest and jazz festival?? And LaSalle's jazz fest and other events? And Streators car shows? And summer events & celebrations in Oglesby? Even little Utica with ALL the events they host throughout the year?? Need I say more? Hang your head in shame Peru and walk away. Your residents are going elsewhere because you have nothing. Disgrace!!
9:05 PM
Thank you....well said!
9:05. You know what else they did in mendota?!?! Drink beer!!! You know what all those other towns do with all their little fests?!?! Drink beer!! If Peru did have something, and beer was involved, I GUARANTEE this blog and everyone else on it would be up in arms because all Peru would know how to do is throw beer gardens.
9:41 We were required to do a lot more. We had to sell tickets and work like dogs all day so we could get the "donation". It's not right.
9:05. I agree, well said! And nobody at city hall cares!
11:26 PM
It sounds like you go to all of them and get no further than the beer tent.
Mendota for instance has lots of corn to eat, elect a queen for the fest, have a parade and other festivities. This is pretty much the set up in most towns and thats why you don't hear complaints about them. Ask Oglesby how they did it.
All of that sounds great, but people around hear need to get plowed to have a good time. Drinking, smoking, and gambling is the only attraction that draws a crowd in the Illinois Valley.
The City has denied/refused to fulfill my FOIA request (filed 8/6/13) regarding fees collected for parking and who is the private property owner at the airport? Why the mystery...
Kristy
Kristy how can they legally refuse a foia?
They refused without giving you a reason?
Maybe we all should do the same foia!
I heard all foia requests go by the mayor and some aldermen!
Kristy, the private property owner to the north of the concert area is Steve Michelini.
Kristy: What reason did they give you for denying your request? I thought Mayor Harl campaigned on an "open door" policy? What is the big deal about informing citizens of Peru how much money was collected parking cars? If they were smart enough they could throw out any figure and no one could dispute it because no records were kept. And, why the big secret? Did the money go into a special fund for the council to use as they see fit?
10:27 I want that officially from the City. The Clerk told the FOIA officer in the past the City held all title/deed to properties. Now someone is not truthful and perhaps that would explain why the City may have been charging such cheap cash land rent.
The Clerk is ignoring that part of the FOIA regarding the property owner only stating no money was exchanged to utilize the private property. Regarding parking I am told it will be compiled in a report by the treasurer which is complete except figures for this payroll from public works (in kind). I specifically asked for parking fee totals for the McGraw concert but nothing.
Kristy
Kristy, did you call the AG office? Maybe you should call the News Tribune and tell them the city is not giving out this information. Maybe they can investigate??
Cities refuse Foia requests all the time. And lawsuits are filed. And lame excuses are given. The private property owner name may not be covered, but all monies received are subject to Foia.
Until there is some real media shining on the city, the leaders are emboldened by their protection from the states Attorney.
Refusing Foia really only becomes an issue if the Attorney General officer pushes the city, and I don't think they even listen to Kristy anymore. There is no election coming up. Foia will be refused much more often, mark my words.
People of Peru: What does this tell you about our mayor? It tells me he only knows the everyday citizen when election time comes around. Other than that, he has no respect for them.
NEXT ELECTION VOTE FOR A NEW CITY CLERK!!!!! !!!
12:22
Unfortunately I feel you are accurate; there is no teeth in the FOIA law, AG's/State's Attorney's offices are unresponsive, and lawsuits only make the lawyers rich.
The private property owner was addressed in the ordinance and the private property was clearly included in documents submitted to the FAA on maps drawn and researched by the engineering firm paid for by US taxpayers for the "charity" or not event.
At the very least the blog readers deserve to know what is occurring even if those in office who have the power to take action lack the courage to protect City assets.
Kristy
Anon 12:22 Thank you for your experienced opinion and knowledgable forewarning. Rodney, Kristy, Lois and Sherry can only do so much as their numbers are limited to four.
As four they have done a great service to the City of Peru but the time has appeared that those of us who are discontended must band together and step over the line and join them. Those who are in agreement please comment what you believe would be the best procedure.
Remember that discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.
2:09 I have worked with many lawyers, and it sounds like you are pretty disillusioned with them but there are firms and llawyers who do not get rich and do fight for things that need fighting.
There is only so much this blog can do. When it comes down to it, it's likely the intimidation tactics of the local powers that stops lawsuits, not retainers.
since the city is not getting it's fair share on the concerts that are held at the airport i wonder what is paid to the current airport operator and if we are getting screwed over there also?
There are good lawyers (who don't get or wont accept fringe benefits in cases), and there are terrible lawyers who do accept fringe benefits. It's the person who retains a lawyer who isn't smart enough to know their lawyers is ripping them off by using stall tactics by keeping the case going by having billable hourly rates. A good lawyer will tell his client, the law is the law.
229: The ONLY thing that will ever make a difference is FORMING A PAC. END OF STORY
4:04 I don't know what your point is? If the law was the law, they would not need judges, especially if you sue a city as a group of citizens, or a business for fraud.
Are you familiar with the concept of retainer? They pretty much all do billable hours. Government transparency groups and environmental groups are often formed by or staffed heavily with lawyers, and they give advice and strategy at very reasonable rates or pro Bono. Some pro Bono lawyers may be perceived as not being all that great, but you really need to see some of the work of the local city attorneys. You can take them on.
If you have a case, they would be able to handle these local lawyers. A couple of firms are pretty tough, but as I said, you could keep these guys honest.
I think that the first step would be to meet and go over the evidence with an attorney from a suburban better govt group. Then you might want to establish a set of citizens who are ok with their names being out there, and who are like minded. They can present concerns to the city, and take actions if necessary and advised.
Setting up a fund raising organization for those who support them but for whatever reason do not want their names on any suit or formal Foia requests would be the next step. If people want to support them , they can put up money for legal fees.
I believe there was an effective Bloomington transparency group that wanted to help as well. They seemed a little slanted politically to me, but may have good advice.
The first step this blog should do, along with its followers is FORM A PAC!! Hold your own meetings and agendas and push for a better Peru! If you TRULY care about Peru then what is the problem????
An excellent idea 8:41. I'm all for it.
8:41 the problem with forming a PAC is basically ideology. There is not consensus on agenda. Some are knee jerk opposed to anything, some are against the concerts, some anti union, some anti Pickleball, some have a problem with open meetings violations.
I think that the issues that have greatest potential for successful legal action should be explored. Civil case against the city regarding the concerts, pickleball, real estate and violating environmental laws have potential and can give real leverage.
Thank God, Linda, what the hell are we waiting for?!?!? If we get a couple hundred people together, and get a spokesman for those people who would regularly attend the meetings, what is the downside?? I really need someone to explain to me what the downside is to forming a PAC. I'm mad as hell about the crap that comes from city hall and I will do something about it, with or without this blog.
That $1.00 per pizza donation can also be written off on business taxes. Not a stupid business owner.
Anon 2:58 If you or others don't think the $1/pizza donation is not a good idea go to LaGrotto on Mondays. On Monday the LL does not recieve a $1.
8:55 I domt think anyone has a problem with a business offering a dollar off every sale for a cause.
They have a problem with fake charity concerts that pay everybody except the charity and make the charity work to make money for the business.
What should we do about that? Keep reporting it to the AG consumer affairs office, or something stronger. Can't wait to hear your advice, since you are full of it.
Really full of it.
Anon 8:16 Temper, Temper Temper now take a time and go to your room to cool off. Don't blame yourself or the concert because there was not enough money made to give a donation. The effort was mad but there it just didn't work out and so you have learned the lesson of the beast - business.
11:47 you will find I have very little temper. I prefer colder , calmer actions when responding.
Your statement would make sense if in fact the concerts did not make money, which they did. Only through creative accounting and making certain that the business did well does the charity get shafted.
Now people are being asked to provide more profit to this business by buying pizza, so they can fulfill the OBLIGATION to donate the proceeds of the event ( or some amount that will pacify the public) to the designated charity. Every individual who bought a ticket in support of the cause was mislead. Every single one of the 3 thousand plus. Linking this pizza campaign to the Concerts for a Cause is the creative brainchild of the fantasy writers at the News Tribune.
The cause for this Benefit or Charity concert series should be paid first , then the city (taxpayers) , then the workers at the concert, then the artist and contractors, then the business.
Yes, I agree throwing outdoor concerts at a horrible venue is economically risky and stupid, but that's what this business wants to do to feel good and give back to the community lol, so man up and do it right.
I have a few pet peeves. One of them are businesses or individuals that use and hide behind charities to get what they want. My others are politicians that ride coat tails of populist drunk fests when convenient. The other are quasi news people who cover for big advertisers because they like to party too. And lastly, I dislike people that back things just because there is not enough to do around here.
So maybe that's why the concerts bug me.
And before one more idiot, either the city mouthpiece or the promoter, comes on and says they lost money at the two concerts this year and could not spare more than 5 k, just watch and see if they throw them next year. With gross receipts well over a million from the last three big benefit concerts and barely 20 thousand dollars donated in total, if that, from the actual charity concert promoter, they are approaching becoming one of the biggest charity scam concerts in America, and that is rough to do. There's plenty of competition.
Yeah, I forgot. Thats another pet peeve . Charity concerts. Too many fake ones over the last few years in this country.
2:56 You are exactly correct. If the concerts happen again next year, you know the promoter is making money. If the concerts continue, it will be up to the volunteers to decide if they want to work with the possibility of getting nothing for their "cause".
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