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Thursday, August 29, 2013
Concert Revenue from Kristy
44 comments:
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This report is still not complete. I am awaiting an additional invoice(s) that was received the day after the Clerk sent the report.
How many different insurance policies are taken out for the concert and how much is their coverage and cost? Who is paying for them? If city employees are being utilized who is paying them, the promoter or the city? If it is the city how is the city reinversed for their fringe benefits?
A portion of the parking fees are bus revenue. But if you ignore that Small percentage of attendees , then divide the numbers by 5 per car, the numbers don't make sense. Each concert should have roughly the same numbers of tickets sold per car. They don't.
Concerts usually average 4 per car. These two concerts are way different from each other. The Mgraw concert seems closer to average, but the other one seems off..
This is amazing! Look at all this economic activity created out of nothing by the City of Peru government! Mayor Harl is right on the ball. We need to double the size of concerts next year! It is simply amazing how the government can create this kind of progress toward prosparity. Think what will happen when Mayor Harl and his supporters really try! Amazing!
What the hell kind of financial statement is this? First level scribble 101? Expenses unknown? You are joking right? Who ever put this together needs to take basic bookkeeping over again. Where is the allocated insurance cost. Where is all the labor for the city workers for the entire week prior? Going rate for farm rent is now $400 acre. I come up with $12,800 lost revenue. Where is the value cost of the equipment used for clean up etc? $100 plus an hour to rent even small equipment in today's world. Fuel for equipment used on cleanup/setup? payroll benefits & taxes, etc for the labor? Probably no less than 30% of the payroll hourly rate. Oh, and where is the revenue (reimbursement) from all the mayors buds & family for all the free entertainment/food/booze? Maybe all the citizens of Peru should have received the same free items since we friggin paid for it!! Harl - you disgust me! And don't pass off the "one time" expense bullshit either. You know good and well that these items won't be found next year. Dream on. Explain to me why we had to pay for tent rental, fence rental, etc? Should mega bucks noonan picked up those fees?
7:57 We have no idea if he is being sarcastic or serious. Sometimes he writes as if HE has no idea if he is being sarcastic or serious, chuckling to himself at the jokes that rumble about in his own head.
But Peru did create much of this fiasco. No city would risk so much, stick their neck out so far when the FAA said stop, for such minimal return. The risk reward is off the charts negative for the city.
It is populist, it is pandering, it's fake charity and it gets votes to have fests like this. It has Peru written all over it. People with small minds and a small town mentality when they ohh and ahh over big time stars that are now a whole hour and a half closer than you could EVER see them before. Big useless feather in a big useless blowhard mayors cap.
There are several more large expenses not listed above. I keep waiting for the idiot to come on and say see these concerts are big money makers Dalzell. No doubt they make money for the promoter. I have yet to see them make money for anyone else around here.
This was not put together by a professional and it was done piece by piece through foia and sometimes that can drag on and on. Done by a resident with an interest in getting most of the information available to the general public and we are grateful for that. If the city will not or does not choose to make figures public, we cannot get them. If you need more info, check with our Treasurer, he will try and spin your head with his figures.
There is also the matter of the design and preparation of the emergency response plan. This is the responsibility of the promoter, by ordinance,, but apparently completed by the police department free of charge according to past comments by Alderman Perez.
The market price for preparing such a plan is between ten thousand and twenty thousand for each event, and does not include all the man hours in meetings before the event.
The issue of insurance, and obtaining the necessary rider for having events like this at an airport is even more interesting. In order to get approval from the FAA the event was to be properly insured. When we contacted the Insurance company, there was no assurance that the current policy would cover this unusual private business activity on site. Our insurance professionals stated a rider would likely need to be added. I wonder if the city ever got a copy of the insurance to be provided by the promoter. Should be available by FOIA.
You see , the insurance for an airport does not generally include allowing up to ten thousand drunks near, highly flammable tanks, expensive equipment, and whose sole evacuation route winds like a snake past gas mains and has people funneled like cattle in snow fencing. Such fencing is very good at catching people ro be trampled on by panicked crowds, and has proven that many times all over the world.
But things like that never happen here, we are all positive, not negative. No storm emergency evacuation would ever be required at an outdoor concert, right? No wait, didn't the largest one here miss just such an evacuation by only 30 minutes?
I am sure the safety and contingency plan was all set for just such an occurrence. After all, the promoter runs a tight ship, according to the alderman.
No I did NOT compile this report; this is the report the City sent me that the Treasurer completed. I did find it odd that me and Ms. Noonan received the report at the same time via email.
How would you know that you were sent that report at the same time?Unless you were both copied on the email?
Is it another attempt to intimidate and make sure you know that everything you ask for is communicated to the promoter? Or is it to make sure stories are straight if press or others aak for information from both the City and the Promoter?
It does seem odd. You would think with all the proposed economic benefit the city has attributed to this activity, they would not be emailing in response to FOIA. They need to be putting in the Newspaper the net from this summers concert series. Front page, along with the half per cent donations to charity from the concert event receipts.
3k is nothing to sneeze at. A true infrastructure investment. Job after job, benefit after benefit. I honestly do not know why all the cities here are not begging for a concert or two . That is sarcasm by the way, Alonso Quintuplet or whoever your name is.
I just want to know why the sales tax figures for those weekends/months are not included, to show the big jump in revenue from all visitors from far away lands. Hylla should be all over that, spinning the abacus and getting happy quotes to the Trib.
When the business files their sales tax payments, there must be huge tick up when these concerts happen. From the liquor distributor too. I would guess that has happened every year since they began. I don't know if individual business sales tax , or city monthly sales tax revenues can be requested under FOIA. Might have to use other means.
It is one heck of an interesting spreadsheet though. Someone has been studying Excel. The city should know that other people have spreadsheets too.
Thank you for verifying Kristy. This financial report is an absolute joke and those that compiled it know they are intentionally misleading the citizens. Shame on them.
Anybody can put something like this together with numbers. Receipts? P.O.? Copies of checks? Copy of bills? Etc... I would wonder if somehow a CPA would do a audit free of cost? Accountant could use his hourly rate as a write off on taxes in some manner. Or a retired CPA who still enjoys a challenge with numbers. Like pro bono cases. A lawyer and accountant who work together . This really would be a simple case of an audit.
Ms. Noonan was copied in the email in fact as far as I know this report only went to myself and Ms. Noonan. I am curious if she too had to file a FOIA to obtain the "completed" reported?
I could see the city sending such a report at year end without requiring a FOIA from her. But I think the report came about solely to comply with the FOIA request from Kristy.
They may review it in council now and slap each other on the back for showing a profit their very first year lol. Give me a break.
Either way, to copy both of you is simple intimidation, trying to make sure a powerful business owner knows who asks about the financials. There is never a need to copy FOIA request information to a third party who did not request it. Even if they did, sharing that information is very unprofessional.
Kristy, Although you don't have a official title you can be very proud of the fact that you have the respect of us, your peers. As you so well know, many of those who do have official titles and are no more than hot air blowers and smoke screen spreaders are being looked down upon more each day as they display what they are professionaly best at - lying, cheating , ignorance, greed and self gain. Just thought I would take a minute to Thank You, Lois and all others who are willig to give their time freely for Peru as we would like it to be, rather than what it is becoming.
Apparently there is/was some confusion on who is "paying" the ambulance personnel for the concerts. Treasurer Hylla stated in an email on 8/19 "that I do believe something is being done about a contribution to PVAS" and it was supposing to be discussed at finance on Wed 8/21. Interesting I received the treasurer's report on 8/20 but when I inquired if the report was final on 8/21 another invoice for PVAS appeared. After yet another inquiry in 8/28 I was informed on 8/29 the report was "believed" to be complete and "that" invoice was not for the City. So I pulled my pliers out to yank a few teeth and it was indeed for the concert and on 8/29 I was informed it was for Ms. Noonan for the concert. As of today I have no idea who actually is paying the invoice!
Keep digging Kristy! It's shameful what games they are playing trying to not let the actual figures be known to the public. I wonder what figures they are reporting to the Division of Aeronautics and the FAA??
I wonder if the ambulance invoice has to much detail on it regarding specific trips. You know the powers that be do like to pretend no one OD' s or needs to be hauled away to the hospital at these shindigs.
Citizens: Look at the "repeatable" and "every event" charges listed on this invoice. They are not all "repeated" or listed under "both events". Since that is the case this invoice tells me there are more charges that need to be subtracted from the "profit" the city made. I am willing to be if we were honest and straightforward there would be no benefit to the city for these concerts. With that said, all the citizens of Peru really want is the "OPEN AND HONEST DOOR POLICY" we were promised by our current mayor. All we want is for our representatives (aldermen) to represent us and listen to their constituents. Be open minded and not judgmental. After all it's our tax dollar you're spending. All we ask is that you spend it wisely.
The farm rent is agreed to at 200 dollars per acre. This is NOT even 50% of what the real cash rent values are. The city should get a new farm manager.
They are much higher this year with commodity prices topping out. in addition, the prime farm land is being ruined and will not be able to be returned to production. They put no matting or covering down, and after about 15 concerts the field will have so much heavy metal and PAH in it it will be brownfield.
Same thing happened with the farmlands around the Bristol Faire. Only took one summer there.
That is very interesting about the contamination of the land, something never talked about. So this can be a long recovery time if ever. Kind of like throwing money away. I hope a few of the alderman look into this long term effect.
Ever see the sheen off a big parking lot by the big box stores as rain water runs into the storm sewer? It's different than farmland that gets a some tractor oil as it gets tilled and harvested every year. You have to give the land a break after a few weekends of parking leaky cars all over it.. Till it, grow grass, or some other rotation crop.
You just put it out of commission and use it for summer parking you are going to lose it if they expand the concerts to more weekends, or bring other activities to the airport like they seem to be planning.
Also the 5 acres of farm land Michilini was farming at $225 per acre is NOT included that was taken out of production in 2012 ("private" land from Exhibit A the Clerk's office never addressed). This is another $1125.00 at City of Peru farm management pricing.
I believe a total of 37 acres of grass was planted in 2012; perhaps the taxpayers should contact the powerful farm bureau for assistance? If the land was left for farming and charged proper farm rent the airport would have made more money with less liability to the City.
You know Kristy, I am pretty sure Mr Mlacnik is being directed to ignore you by a higher authority. I am also pretty sure he would not like to be interviewed by a real reporter. Wouldn't that be interesting? I am not talking about the News Trib "latest version of a local Apple Pie recipe book" or local sports reporter. A real one. One who cares more about the story than keeping everything Positive in Peru.
6:13 That website was set up by the pickle ball ambassador. It was nothing more than a site to promote the game and had nothing to do with the city other than causing a great deal of controversy. As you stated, the last time I visited the site nothing had been changed, added, or subtracted since last year.
8:41 That site is a great example of the narcissism of that man. The charge of negativity is leveled whenever people with an ounce of brains or respect for others COMPLAIN about his pet sport and its placement.
Harl echoed the sentiments in the meetings... The only citizen activism is negative, according to him. Wouldn't it be great if everyone sat around with sand in their butts and just volunteered for the insane vision he seems to have for party town USA. If there is not picketing and even some good old fashioned dissension and civil disruption at this no bid meeting coming up I will be disappointed. I am a hundred miles away, brought into these matters by litigation research and journalistic interest. But if it were my town, I would be a 60 s hippy that night. Don't let the MAN pull this one over one you lol.
If you assume set up is about half the costs of clean up, then you are looking a profit under 3,000, I would figure the insurance rider would cost at least a grand? Any insurance professionals out there?
44 comments:
This report is still not complete. I am awaiting an additional invoice(s) that was received the day after the Clerk sent the report.
Kristy
No surprise here. Only give a partial report. Do they think people are stupid?
less than $4K return. Is that worth all the work?
4:22 PM
Please notice that there is no $ amount for the city employees for setup, like bringing equipment etc up to the airport.
How many different insurance policies are taken out for the concert and how much is their coverage and cost? Who is paying for them?
If city employees are being utilized who is paying them, the promoter or the city? If it is the city how is the city reinversed for their fringe benefits?
A portion of the parking fees are bus revenue. But if you ignore that Small percentage of attendees , then divide the numbers by 5 per car, the numbers don't make sense. Each concert should have roughly the same numbers of tickets sold per car. They don't.
Concerts usually average 4 per car. These two concerts are way different from each other. The Mgraw concert seems closer to average, but the other one seems off..
Maybe someone could explain this?
This is amazing! Look at all this economic activity created out of nothing by the City of Peru government! Mayor Harl is right on the ball. We need to double the size of concerts next year! It is simply amazing how the government can create this kind of progress toward prosparity. Think what will happen when Mayor Harl and his supporters really try! Amazing!
Uh? Government didn't create this...LaGrottos created this. Do we really have to put up with Alonso?
What the hell kind of financial statement is this? First level scribble 101? Expenses unknown? You are joking right? Who ever put this together needs to take basic bookkeeping over again. Where is the allocated insurance cost. Where is all the labor for the city workers for the entire week prior? Going rate for farm rent is now $400 acre. I come up with $12,800 lost revenue. Where is the value cost of the equipment used for clean up etc? $100 plus an hour to rent even small equipment in today's world. Fuel for equipment used on cleanup/setup? payroll benefits & taxes, etc for the labor? Probably no less than 30% of the payroll hourly rate. Oh, and where is the revenue (reimbursement) from all the mayors buds & family for all the free entertainment/food/booze? Maybe all the citizens of Peru should have received the same free items since we friggin paid for it!! Harl - you disgust me! And don't pass off the "one time" expense bullshit either. You know good and well that these items won't be found next year. Dream on. Explain to me why we had to pay for tent rental, fence rental, etc? Should mega bucks noonan picked up those fees?
7:57 We have no idea if he is being sarcastic or serious. Sometimes he writes as if HE has no idea if he is being sarcastic or serious, chuckling to himself at the jokes that rumble about in his own head.
But Peru did create much of this fiasco. No city would risk so much, stick their neck out so far when the FAA said stop, for such minimal return. The risk reward is off the charts negative for the city.
It is populist, it is pandering, it's fake charity and it gets votes to have fests like this. It has Peru written all over it. People with small minds and a small town mentality when they ohh and ahh over big time stars that are now a whole hour and a half closer than you could EVER see them before. Big useless feather in a big useless blowhard mayors cap.
There are several more large expenses not listed above. I keep waiting for the idiot to come on and say see these concerts are big money makers Dalzell. No doubt they make money for the promoter. I have yet to see them make money for anyone else around here.
10:23 PM
This was not put together by a professional and it was done piece by piece through foia and sometimes that can drag on and on. Done by a resident with an interest in getting most of the information available to the general public and we are grateful for that. If the city will not or does not choose to make figures public, we cannot get them. If you need more info, check with our Treasurer, he will try and spin your head with his figures.
There is also the matter of the design and preparation of the emergency response plan. This is the responsibility of the promoter, by ordinance,, but apparently completed by the police department free of charge according to past comments by Alderman Perez.
The market price for preparing such a plan is between ten thousand and twenty thousand for each event, and does not include all the man hours in meetings before the event.
The issue of insurance, and obtaining the necessary rider for having events like this at an airport is even more interesting. In order to get approval from the FAA the event was to be properly insured. When we contacted the Insurance company, there was no assurance that the current policy would cover this unusual private business activity on site. Our insurance professionals stated a rider would likely need to be added. I wonder if the city ever got a copy of the insurance to be provided by the promoter. Should be available by FOIA.
You see , the insurance for an airport does not generally include allowing up to ten thousand drunks near, highly flammable tanks, expensive equipment, and whose sole evacuation route winds like a snake past gas mains and has people funneled like cattle in snow fencing. Such fencing is very good at catching people ro be trampled on by panicked crowds, and has proven that many times all over the world.
But things like that never happen here, we are all positive, not negative. No storm emergency evacuation would ever be required at an outdoor concert, right? No wait, didn't the largest one here miss just such an evacuation by only 30 minutes?
I am sure the safety and contingency plan was all set for just such an occurrence. After all, the promoter runs a tight ship, according to the alderman.
No I did NOT compile this report; this is the report the City sent me that the Treasurer completed. I did find it odd that me and Ms. Noonan received the report at the same time via email.
Kristy
The clerk's office sent this report to meet my FOIA request; I did not compile the report.
Kristy
Did anyone else notice that it cost quite a bit more to clean up after the 2nd concert which hosted way fewer party goers? Wonder why that would be!!!
Kristy
How would you know that you were sent that report at the same time?Unless you were both copied on the email?
Is it another attempt to intimidate and make sure you know that everything you ask for is communicated to the promoter? Or is it to make sure stories are straight if press or others aak for information from both the City and the Promoter?
It does seem odd. You would think with all the proposed economic benefit the city has attributed to this activity, they would not be emailing in response to FOIA. They need to be putting in the Newspaper the net from this summers concert series. Front page, along with the half per cent donations to charity from the concert event receipts.
3k is nothing to sneeze at. A true infrastructure investment. Job after job, benefit after benefit. I honestly do not know why all the cities here are not begging for a concert or two . That is sarcasm by the way, Alonso Quintuplet or whoever your name is.
I just want to know why the sales tax figures for those weekends/months are not included, to show the big jump in revenue from all visitors from far away lands. Hylla should be all over that, spinning the abacus and getting happy quotes to the Trib.
When the business files their sales tax payments, there must be huge tick up when these concerts happen. From the liquor distributor too. I would guess that has happened every year since they began. I don't know if individual business sales tax , or city monthly sales tax revenues can be requested under FOIA. Might have to use other means.
It is one heck of an interesting spreadsheet though. Someone has been studying Excel. The city should know that other people have spreadsheets too.
Thank you for verifying Kristy.
This financial report is an absolute joke and those that compiled it know they are intentionally misleading the citizens. Shame on them.
Anybody can put something like this together with numbers. Receipts? P.O.? Copies of checks? Copy of bills? Etc... I would wonder if somehow a CPA would do a audit free of cost? Accountant could use his hourly rate as a write off on taxes in some manner. Or a retired CPA who still enjoys a challenge with numbers. Like pro bono cases. A lawyer and accountant who work together . This really would be a simple case of an audit.
Ms. Noonan was copied in the email in fact as far as I know this report only went to myself and Ms. Noonan. I am curious if she too had to file a FOIA to obtain the "completed" reported?
Kristy
I could see the city sending such a report at year end without requiring a FOIA from her. But I think the report came about solely to comply with the FOIA request from Kristy.
They may review it in council now and slap each other on the back for showing a profit their very first year lol. Give me a break.
Either way, to copy both of you is simple intimidation, trying to make sure a powerful business owner knows who asks about the financials. There is never a need to copy FOIA request information to a third party who did not request it. Even if they did, sharing that information is very unprofessional.
Kristy,
Although you don't have a official title you can be very proud of the fact that you have the respect of us, your peers.
As you so well know, many of those who do have official titles and are no more than hot air blowers and smoke screen spreaders are being looked down upon more each day as they display what they are professionaly best at - lying, cheating , ignorance, greed and self gain.
Just thought I would take a minute to Thank You, Lois and all others who are willig to give their time freely for Peru as we would like it to be, rather than what it is becoming.
Sounds like the same cover up of expenses as was paid for the BB gun club.
Apparently there is/was some confusion on who is "paying" the ambulance personnel for the concerts. Treasurer Hylla stated in an email on 8/19 "that I do believe something is being done about a contribution to PVAS" and it was supposing to be discussed at finance on Wed 8/21. Interesting I received the treasurer's report on 8/20 but when I inquired if the report was final on 8/21 another invoice for PVAS appeared. After yet another inquiry in 8/28 I was informed on 8/29 the report was "believed" to be complete and "that" invoice was not for the City. So I pulled my pliers out to yank a few teeth and it was indeed for the concert and on 8/29 I was informed it was for Ms. Noonan for the concert. As of today I have no idea who actually is paying the invoice!
Kristy
Keep digging Kristy! It's shameful what games they are playing trying to not let the actual figures be known to the public. I wonder what figures they are reporting to the Division of Aeronautics and the FAA??
I wonder if the ambulance invoice has to much detail on it regarding specific trips. You know the powers that be do like to pretend no one OD' s or needs to be hauled away to the hospital at these shindigs.
Geeterdone! Geeter covered up!
Citizens: Look at the "repeatable" and "every event" charges listed on this invoice. They are not all "repeated" or listed under "both events". Since that is the case this invoice tells me there are more charges that need to be subtracted from the "profit" the city made. I am willing to be if we were honest and straightforward there would be no benefit to the city for these concerts. With that said, all the citizens of Peru really want is the "OPEN AND HONEST DOOR POLICY" we were promised by our current mayor. All we want is for our representatives (aldermen) to represent us and listen to their constituents. Be open minded and not judgmental. After all it's our tax dollar you're spending. All we ask is that you spend it wisely.
Shouldn't the farm rental loss be based on the current crop prices. It s a very high year commodity wise.
The farm rent is agreed to at 200 dollars per acre. This is NOT even 50% of what the real cash rent values are. The city should get a new farm manager.
They are much higher this year with commodity prices topping out. in addition, the prime farm land is being ruined and will not be able to be returned to production. They put no matting or covering down, and after about 15 concerts the field will have so much heavy metal and PAH in it it will be brownfield.
Same thing happened with the farmlands around the Bristol Faire. Only took one summer there.
10:05 AM
That is very interesting about the contamination of the land, something never talked about. So this can be a long recovery time if ever. Kind of like throwing money away. I hope a few of the alderman look into this long term effect.
Ever see the sheen off a big parking lot by the big box stores as rain water runs into the storm sewer? It's different than farmland that gets a some tractor oil as it gets tilled and harvested every year. You have to give the land a break after a few weekends of parking leaky cars all over it.. Till it, grow grass, or some other rotation crop.
You just put it out of commission and use it for summer parking you are going to lose it if they expand the concerts to more weekends, or bring other activities to the airport like they seem to be planning.
Apparently Mr. Mlacnik of IDA was AGAIN not concerned with taking farm land out of production without doing a NEPA review as per my email on 4/03/13.
Kristy
Also the 5 acres of farm land Michilini was farming at $225 per acre is NOT included that was taken out of production in 2012 ("private" land from Exhibit A the Clerk's office never addressed). This is another $1125.00 at City of Peru farm management pricing.
I believe a total of 37 acres of grass was planted in 2012; perhaps the taxpayers should contact the powerful farm bureau for assistance? If the land was left for farming and charged proper farm rent the airport would have made more money with less liability to the City.
Kristy
You know Kristy, I am pretty sure Mr Mlacnik is being directed to ignore you by a higher authority. I am also pretty sure he would not like to be interviewed by a real reporter. Wouldn't that be interesting? I am not talking about the News Trib "latest version of a local Apple Pie recipe book" or local sports reporter. A real one. One who cares more about the story than keeping everything Positive in Peru.
6:56 speaking of Positive in Peru who was responsible for this web site last year? There has been nothing added to this site since last year.
Isn't it run by someone at the city?
No 6:13. It was set up and run by the pickle ball ambassador.
6:13 That website was set up by the pickle ball ambassador. It was nothing more than a site to promote the game and had nothing to do with the city other than causing a great deal of controversy. As you stated, the last time I visited the site nothing had been changed, added, or subtracted since last year.
8:41 That site is a great example of the narcissism of that man. The charge of negativity is leveled whenever people with an ounce of brains or respect for others COMPLAIN about his pet sport and its placement.
Harl echoed the sentiments in the meetings... The only citizen activism is negative, according to him. Wouldn't it be great if everyone sat around with sand in their butts and just volunteered for the insane vision he seems to have for party town USA. If there is not picketing and even some good old fashioned dissension and civil disruption at this no bid meeting coming up I will be disappointed. I am a hundred miles away, brought into these matters by litigation research and journalistic interest. But if it were my town, I would be a 60 s hippy that night. Don't let the MAN pull this one over one you lol.
Instead of joining in on the fun game (pickle ball) tonight the ambassador was spotted watching the game from 30th street. Wonder why?
That's funny I saw him on his bike down by Baker Lake. Are you sure it was him?
8:27 No doubt about it. It was him "the ambassador". What do you think he has up his sleeve now?
If you assume set up is about half the costs of clean up, then you are looking a profit under 3,000, I would figure the insurance rider would cost at least a grand? Any insurance professionals out there?
Read letter to editor in today's paper. It's about how a 73 year old woman how she and others were treated by city officials at a council meeting.
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