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Friday, July 23, 2010
Aldermen to Trovero: "Kiss my asphalt good-bye"
With the recent unanimous vote to reject the lone bid for our annual street program, I wonder if there is some way to determine how our engineering estimate compares to other nearby communities for similar work. As Lois reported in a previous post, Ottawa decided to accept the bid from Advanced Asphalt which was also over their engineering estimate, albeit not to the extent that Peru's was.
I am not an engineer, although I did play one on T.V in the 90's, on Baywatch. Those were the days when Pam Anderson was not quite as "big" a celebrity as she is now. Anyway.
What I am wondering is if it would be possible to compare the quantitiy of work bid in each city and the engineering estimates for the proposed work in each city in order to try to determine what caused the disparities between estimates and bids. Can someone get to work on that and report back to us?
I know the aldermen in Peru are convinced that Trovero was just trying to "turn the screws" on us and that is always a possibility, but I am not convinced that was the case. I am not saying they should have awarded the bid. I wish they would have left themselves other options in order to get some work done this season. They could have scrutinized the engineering estimates and the bids of other local cities (LaSalle also) as I suggested or possibly even allow the contractor an opportunity to shed some light on the situation if he still feels his bid is a fair one.
Something that was left "unsaid" during the discussion of this matter on Wednesday was that there exists an "unwritten understanding" between some contractors in the area that they will not encroach on each others geographic base of operations when bidding certain projects. That of course does not allow for a very effective bidding process.
We would hope that a local contracor would not see it as just an opportunity to inflate his bid. They are after all, our neighbors and local residents themselves. This situation is going to have to be replayed before too long and I hope our elected officials are looking for ways to come to terms with it.
My personal opinion is that the city consider making a committment to proceed with a plan to perform at least a portion of the asphalt resurfacing program "in-house".
Yes, it means a considerable capital investment for some of the speacialized equipment needed. We make significant capital investments in our city all the time. Why not do so for the purpose of performing our own street paving. We have Street Department employees represented by Operating Engineers who have the finest training and skill improvement facility in the country. Peru city employees can get hands-on instruction on this equipment at little or no cost to the taxpayers of Peru.
Now, before you "union-bashers" start piling on......No, I don't want or need a job with the city! No, I don't believe Mayor Harl will hire "a bunch of his union buddies!".
No, I don't have paving equipment to sell to the city!
No! No! No!
It's an idea. Maybe it could work? Too progressive? Too expensive? You tell me!
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As I watched the scenerio last Wednesday at the Council Meeting between Chamlin and the Council and how little discussion occurred on the subjects of our "bad roads" during that meeting. Roger stated "too much" and it felt like this decision was already made before it ever hit the council chambers. No discussion and a sudden end to the major complaint expressed by most citizens of Peru. Most things here in Peru are tolerable but our roads are not.
Did Chamlin feel like there was something to gain by insulting the bid by Trovero. Anybody else feeling the need for a PERU CITY ENGINEER working for the city? Someone with no past ties to past elected officials and Peru city employees? The past associations seem to keep haunting Peru like a noose around their neck.
No City Engineer for the city of Peru is necessary. In fact a city employed engineer would not be in touch of the cost for the construction as Chamlin can offer. Keep Chamlin !
6:12PM
Early on after the Mayor was elected and a city engineer hire was in the works, Chamlin confirmed that the city of Peru could SAVE money by having their own engineer. Not rumor but fact.
Lois , you missed the point . Re Read the Anon 6:12PM
It is not the saving of money for the cost of the employee (engineer). It is about the understanding and knowledge of what things cost at the time by being in the current business of reality not by living in a cave and going to work everyday at the city building not knowing what cost are in the real world.
My My, this is the reason for the constant mistaken positions you take.!
8:40 PM
It sounds to me like you are the one living in a cave.
There are many reasons why we should have a city engineer and I have no doubt in my mind that a Qualified City Engineer would be able to evaluate cost as well as Chamlin Associates and perhaps better. Just because someone had not done work for us before does not mean he wasn't out doing the job for another city and gaining valuable experience in the process. So we would gain not only less cost to the city but a new look at how we do things here in Peru. That might scare you to find someone really looking into the bidding process in town. Wake up and see things not as you wish but as they really are.
Lois 11:32PM
You have still missed the point..
11:55 just what is the point? please explain it to all of us
11:55AM
That Was?
What I have a hard time understanding is why we can't manage our own water and waste water systems. If it's necessary for us to hire TEST why don't our surrounding towns have to use them to the extent we do? How do they manage and does it cost them as much as it does Peru?
3:50 p.m. - That is a question that has to be answered. I have explained on this blog how TEST came to be and how they have managed to influence elected officials and become entrenched in Peru.
The cost of service to Peru from TEST vs. the cost of operating in-house are comparisons that we will be presenting on this blog in the future. To answer your first question: "why can't we manage our own water and wastewater systems"? We can, but we are currently lacking the certified operators which IEPA requires. It's all about training and certification. Some aldermen would like you to believe that operating in-house would be a very complicated and difficult task to achieve. It would not. As Water and Sewer Committee Chairman, Jack O'Beirne has refused to allow the proper training and certification for city employees to be qualified to operate our systems. That is by design and has only enabled TEST to convince the aldermen that nobody else can perform the work.
That argument does not hold water.
Lets train Ken Drennen and do it in house..
The right man for the job even though some of you are against him.
What be the cost of Peru doing the work themselves?
The right thing to do would be to train more than one city employee. That's common sense because you have vacations, etc. to cover.
Union Wages vs. Private Sector?
If city employees do the job it shouldn't cost a whole lot more because they are already on the payroll. Once they're certified it would probably be only the cost to re-certify when necessary.
The wrong man for the job is drennan! He couldn't maintain the pool properly!
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