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Friday, May 28, 2010

Fox River Park water features flowing - My Web Times

Fox River Park water features flowing - My Web Times

20 comments:

Peru Town Forum said...

Features Flowing Water - Love to hear what you think as you read this article.

Kay said...

Lois, my daughter is a 4th grade teacher in Ottawa and on Tues the 4th grades had an outing whereby they walked the canal over to the park to the Flowing Water recreation area. She said the kids had a ball - so much so that they said to her the next day that they went back that night and to their surprise found most of their 4th grade buddies already there. This would be a good addition to Centennial Park or Sunset Park or Washington Park(or all 3). I do not believe the expense would be great and in these particular parks kids wud be able to walk from their homes.

Peru Town Forum said...

Thanks for you input, I am hoping to get over there soon and see what it looks like. Let's hope someone in city government is reading this.

Anonymous said...

It is not necessary to spend millions to make kids happy. How nice would it be at Washington Park during baseball games on a hot summer night for the little brothers or sisters to play while the game is going on. No deep water to worry about, just enough to splash and cool off. Great idea!

Kay said...

Interestingly enough, I rode past Washington Park and Centennial Park Sunday about 3 PM - there was no one in Centennial and 1 small group of picnickers leaving Washington Park. Peru has existing resources we just need to expand upon them. In other words to think it thru before making rash, expensive decisions.

The parks in Ottawa are used on a regular basis - Allen Park on the river on a typical weekend is alive with picnickers and boating enthusiasts - The west side parks on Chestnut Street draw lots of kids as they have a great jungle gym and a small baseball diamond, Thornton park is again for young kids as they have a huge sand area and tennis courts, Washington Park in downtown always has adults walking thru or lunching there in the summertime, southside Rotary Park is again setup with huge jungle gym and swings, Varland Park has the little league, Peck Park has pony league, girls (3) softball diamonds, tennis courts and again jungle gym. East side by the high school has a great park for children with again the huge jungle gym. Now what was formerly the flats (and flooded a lot) has created another park with this really nice zero depth water recreation area. Porter Road which is north of Monte's about 5 blocks has another park geared towards children with the jungle gym and, of course, the Riordan park with swimming pool, softball, hard ball and little league diamonds.

What my recital says is that areas have been created throughout the city so that children have ready walking access. Jungle gyms (although not cheap)can always be used in a park somewhere in the city. Peru city officials could not find the man power to reset jungle gym equipment that they already owned and have it moved to an existing park in need of play ground equipment Hmmmmmmmm!

And before someone tells me to move to Ottawa, I say to you that you need to open your mind to new ideas and resources. Times have changed - we all need to change with it. That means we, as citizens need to take an interest in our city governments. From city, to county, to state to federal - they are all broke which means we are broke!!!!! It does not mean we do not spend for improvements that need to be done but we cannot throw good money after bad. We elect officials to hopefully make good sound decisions when spending OUR tax dollars. Sometimes (like now) they need more guidance than others. We all need to work together to again become Peru the "Leader of the Illinois Valley".

Anonymous said...

I think all this talk about these water park features is an excellent idea. I too wish someone in our local government would read this but more so, I wish they would suggest it at a meeting. It just might make them a hero in the eyes of our children. We need to show more concern for our children than we do for the handful of people who might lose a 3 month summer job if the pool stays closed. We need to start thinking about what is best for the city as a whole and not just for a select few. My opinion.

Brian Foster said...

Kay,
Ottawa’s parks do not come without a cost. Before you get to free with the people’s money, consider this.

Ottawa has their budget posted on-line. From it, I’ve gathered these costs for 2010:

Playground / Recreation Fund = $371,972

Parks & Public Buildings Fund = $1,746,200. Not all of this is for parks and I did not have time to sort it out. So, let’s call it $700,000 for the parks portion of that fund. That is probably low because they are doing a lot of construction.

Swimming Pool Fund = $186,000

The total is about $1,257,972.

I also calculated what my taxes would be if I lived in Ottawa and my house had the same net taxable value. I would pay an additional $1,103. I could go further and calculate how much more I would pay for electricity, water, and garbage.
Unless they are school teachers or politicians, people in Ottawa do not make any more money than people in Peru. However, they do pay much more than we do to live.

Kay said...

Oh I agree Brian. I do own a home in Ottawa so I am well aware of taxation. Peru, however, has purportedly had money and now is in debt, big time. The taxes have gone up although not to what Ottawa pays. Our problem (and I live in Peru) is that our governmental officials do not understand that they cannot spend money as they did in the past. The 1 problem (at this time in question) is our "poor", "under entertained" children! My position is that we can live without a pool until we are out of debt or have found another way to fund it. There are other avenues to entertain children and still be progressive. We really do not have enough parks and the equipment in them is mostly outdated other than Baker Park. The park up north by the army reserve area is not for children - location precludes that alone. Equipment in Sunset is okay but cud do with a good paint job. The park south of the post office is little more than a sublot with swings. Washington is nice but again cud use some updating. Centennial is good but cud use something else to draw people.

People's money is my money as well. Aldermen are using it unwisely. Look at the Mirror Building, look at the raises being given when we have no money, retirements are costing us a fortune as are the current wages for a town of Peru's size. Streets are in disrepair. GenXers (whatever that is) we lost money, a battery operated truck - we lost money. The pool - well I am just astounded that it has been in operation and not been closed by the Health Dept as a safety concern. Seven of eight aldermen were still pushing to patch and paint even while it was being inspected. They knew best!!!???

Tell me Brian what you would do to rectify the situation in Peru. I have read your blog and for the most part agree with what you report. To only criticize and point fingers is not the answer - but we cannot find the answers if we do not point out the problems.

Peru Town Forum said...

I happened to be out today and drove past Washington about 4 PM, not a person to be seen and past Sunset and no one around. It seems to me that we need to generate activities (beside baseball) to get people out to use the parks. To be a real community we need more than equipment in a park. One thing that did surprise me was the fact that this morning during the Memorial Day events at Washington, no one was using the tennis courts and again this afternoon, no one at the courts. I remember when our children were teenagers, they had to wait or sign up for courts. Is tennis out of vogue or are there better courts someplace else.
On the other hand the attendance at the Memorial Day event was very well attended so I am going to surmise that we need to have events for the people in town to come out and be at a park.
I certainly would rather attend a band concert in a park rather than at the noisy Maud Powell plaza with all the car exhaust in your face. And the acoustics are lousy bouncing off of the Mirror building.

Anonymous said...

Washington Park is slowly becoming deserted. The traveling baseball teams are taking our kids on the road and therefore we do not have many teams to play locally. Every diamond, every night and weekend used to be filled with games and spectators. The fire works filled the park to capacity. We always had 4th of July baseball tournaments. It was fun for young and old alike. Today you might drive by the park in the early evening and see maybe one diamond being in use.

The 28th street park used to be filled with children playing stick ball and other games. The young girls softball teams used to practice there. Then, something happened and the kids were basically scared aware. Today the park is hardly ever filled with children's laughter and joy.

Anonymous said...

Wow!
The flight FROM Peru Parks can be added to Jobs, businesses, etc. Keep up the good work Mayor .

Of course the rebuttal will be, well it is not the mayor's fault , but I say to you, WHAT IS IT HE IS DOING THIS PAST YEAR FOR THE CITY ?

My reply , Nothing but close close close ; raise taxes raise taxes raise taxes; bicker bicker bicker: no plan .

Peru Town Forum said...

yesterday I was thinking that the citizens of Peru were really making some excellent comments about our city and giving us something to think about and work toward and then this morning I get a posting like the one above that you sent.
And it reminds me again that there are a few of you out there who don't think and can only spew negative unneeded garbage.
JUST WANTED EVERYONE ELSE TO SEE YOU HAVE NOT GONE AWAY BUT CONTINUE TO AGITATE.

Peru Town Forum said...

It is very evident that Ottawa does try to think ahead and plan to use neighborhood resources wisely. I was thinking about the post earlier made by Kay and the number of parks in Ottawa. I don't know if she mentioned the small picnic shelter on the south side where a school was torn down because I don't know the name of the park. Small but nice and my husbands family uses that area for their small family reunions.
Unlike Peru that had left the area of the former Peru Hotel vacant and ugly for years when they could have made that a green space for their residents to enjoy. Now of course Test is scheduled to build upon that land.
And I need to add that I personally don't think the Maud Powell plaza is a pleasant and comfortable place to spend anytime. But it is all we have in the downtown. On the flip side, we sure have more parking lots than needed for the number of cars looking for a place to park.

Kay said...

My intention when listing what Ottawa has in the way of parks was not to criticize but more to say lets use what we have - but use it wisely. Paint makes a difference. Don't give away what we can use. But don't tell me we don't have the man power to improve something.
(Lois the park you go to is Rotary Park - it was the site of Shabbona School)

I do believe it was the city's responsibility to move that equipment but I also have to say what a sad state of affairs when we can no longer gather enough volunteers to do a job for children. Jefferson School (in Ottawa) PTO did fund raising to purchase a wonderful jungle gym for the kids and volunteer parents spent a whole weekend installing this equipment. No small feat - even the children came to do what they could.

Bottomline - we need to pull together, to listen to suggestions, to be open and honest. Just think about all the wonderful ways we have to communicate today. Lets just make the effort to work thru these terrible economic times.

Brian Foster said...

I’ll first address the parks and their apparent lack of use. I have a feeling that most people that comment on this blog are in the same age group that I belong to. That is the group that grew up in this city in the 1970’s and 1980’s. During that time period, Peru enjoyed a young population with large families. I for one come from a very large family, an even dozen of us kids. Peru was literally crawling with kids back then. For better or worse, due to advances in medical science, social changes, and economic realities, the demographics of our city have changed.

In 1960, Peru had a population of 10,460 people. At that time 33.5% of the population was under 18. That is 3,504 children. In 1970 our population peaked at 11,722 with 4,051 kids under the age of 18. That is 34%. By 1990, the population fell to 9,302 with only 22% under the age of 18 (2,074). In 2000, the population went up a bit (9,820), but the under 18 crowd was still about 22% or 2,154. Between 1960 and 2000, the population of Peru, under the age of 18, decreased by over 53%.

In 2009, the Peru Public School District had a total enrolment of 938 students. L-P had an enrolment of 1,197. I’ll make a SWAG and say 598 students at L-P live in Peru. That will make up for those going to a private school. That makes the under 18 population close to 1500 kids. Throw in a few hundred for those not going to school yet and we still have a net decrease in the under 18 population. I’ll be interested to see what the 2010 census reveals.

I gathered all of these figures from U.S. Census records. I tried to be exact as possible, but pre-1990 records are difficult to read.

So, my contention is that the reason are parks aren’t full of kids is that we don’t have kids to fill them. Also, parents don’t let their kids run loose like they used to. Kids today generally stay close to home and under direct supervision.

To the point “The 1 problem (at this time in question) is our poor, under entertained children” I just say this: I grow very cautious whenever a Politian or anybody else tells me that something is “for the children.” That phrase is generally a code word for, “your going to pay more taxes.” Purely on demographics, Peru cannot justify additional spending on recreational activities for children.

What would I do about all of this? Frankly, this is a far more serious problem than people think. Good, stable jobs are required. Illinois is not a business friendly state. That needs to be fixed. I can’t really comment on that now because the post would go on forever. What can Peru do? More of the same… keep taxes and utility rates low. I know parks and schools play a very large role in attracting population. So, some attention is necessary. The schools, I think, are fine. The parks could use some sprucing up. More importantly, our streets need drastic improvement. Electrical distribution needs to be maintained in top notch condition. Drainage and waste water systems need to be updated and improved. All that while keeping taxes and rates lower than surrounding communities. That, my friends, is a very challenging task and I don’t envy the Mayor and Council.

Anonymous said...

To Brian 8:42pm

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
Now if this blog could only get off the complaining about the past and look to the future using the statistics you provided and also those of the 2010 census , the city of peru would be better off for it.
I have been saying for some time, #1 priority is JOBs and businesses for the valley, but for Lois and some it is agitation. We need leadership. Maybe next election !

Peru Town Forum said...

9:03AM

Sorry that you view peoples problems with unsolved situations that occurred during past years as complaining. I think everything must be built on a good solid foundation and at the present time we don't have that. Our debt of 45 Million was inherited by the present administration along with the swimming pool and anything else you are hearing discussed on this blog.
We would all like to move along and say our only concern is jobs, forget everything else. That would not be very responsible and offensive to just about every resident of this city.
A good reliable responsible company looking for a place to locate wants to know many things about a community before they make a huge decision about where to locate their business.
I personally believe that we as a group of individuals are pointing out the problems and only hope that by repairing that foundation and making a firm basis for businesses to provide jobs fo our residents. You know that saying "First things first"

Everything in this town and any town is interconnected and you cannot say our #1 priority is jobs when the town is literally falling apart beneath your feet as in roads and sewers.

Anonymous said...

ANON 9:03 You say our #1 priority should be jobs and businesses. You also say we lack leadership. Let me ask you if we had leadership for 40 plus years (as you seem to imply) why are we lacking in these areas?

Anonymous said...

Wow, to Anon 10:44

You must have been living in a bubble or vacuum the past 40 yrs.

Go outside and look around . Today nothing is happening except bickering and complaining over matters that DO NOT MATTER.


Check todays news trib and what is happening in La Salle. Peru will continue to fall behind as you and your friends stay complaining over frivolous matters. No jobs, no businesses , NO MONEY, no taxes to do anything but complain. Pretty simple !

Peru Town Forum said...

1:27PM
Please tell us what we missed in the News Trib. tonight. I read cover to cover and must have missed it. I did read the article about Putting bandaides on the Peru Pool.
Also last week there was a story about a resale shop in La Salle moving to another location and a doggie pick up spot for a Starved Rock Kennel.