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Thursday, August 12, 2010
Aldermen to citizens: Your request to participate in the democratic process is "DENIED"
Regardless of which side of the pool issue you're on. And because there are no less than three sides to this quagmire, it would have been nice to at least get an invite to the pool party. But, instead of suiting up for a little dip in the political process of an advisory referendum we were informed by our aldermen that they once again consider us the proverbial "Turds in the swimming pool."
Last night, our aldermanic brain trust banded together to defeat a motion by Alderman Ferrari and seconded by my old pal Jack O'Beirne to place a simple question on the November ballot as an advisory referendum asking "Should the city of Peru proceed with planning and funding a new municipal swimming pool? As was predictable, the notion of the common citizen providing input or direction to our aldermen obviously left most of them feeling very threatened and unreasonable. They appeared unable to wrap there mind around the fact that this was simply an "advisory question" which did not obligate them to take any particular action. Regardless of the outcome of the vote in November the aldermen would still hold ultimate authority to determine what if any action is taken on a municiapal pool. They discussed last nights motion as if they were deciding whether or not to break ground on a new pool first thing next week.
From Mertel deliberately trying to "muddy the waters" (pun intended) by claiming there needed to be a volume of information on the ballot explaining the history of pool construction in the U.S., to Potthoff patronizing us with his extensive knowledge of pool design and municipal taxes. To Waldorf thinking out loud, "After all we are the elected officials and we make these decisions". Oh my!
I have to admit that I am not sure which outcome of the proposed referendum they were more afraid to have to deal with. At least a couple of them have said any move forward would have to be new construction. They are on record. This would have been an opportunity for people on any side of the issue to not only cast there vote on election day but to actively campaign and recruit others to paricipate in the democratic process leading up to the election. Why would an elected official see that as a threat and where do we find ourselves now? Believe it or not, I think there still exists a couple of "characters" on this council who will start the bizarre process all over again this coming winter by suggesting once again to patch and paint the old hole in the ground and squeel with glee, "Fill er' up Kenny". I am not currently in favor of new pool construction. At least not in the forseeable future considering city finances. That's a no-brainer. I think they must demolish the existing structure as soon as they have an opportunity to do so. By "they", I mean "city employees" not a contractor and haul the debris down to the Riviera by the River landfill "hideaway resort" of a certain city employee at no additional cost to the city. Then, I would hope that any discussion regarding water related recreational opportunities in the city of Peru be strictly limited to the "Splash Park" theme which is something we may be able to afford. Nothing more. I urge you, please do not forget those aldermen who conspired to deny us a chance to participate in the democratic process. Be sure to inform your neighbors and other residents of Peru that the culprits were Jamey Mertel, 1st Ward. Joe Mikyska, 2nd Ward. Dave Waldorf & Bob Ankiewicz 3rd Ward. Dave Potthoff 4th Ward. Ron Wren, 4th Ward was absent for last nights vote but had previously mentioned he was opposed to the idea of an advisory referendum. These are the guys who chose to leave the rest of us off the pool party guest list.
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Another excellent post Steve but I totally agree with the part that this issue is not over. I feel confident there will be more debating resulting in comments like "patch and fill Mr. Drennan" and "it's safe". I too feel appalled by the comments our aldermen keep making that they were elected to make our decisions without any feedback or comments from
us. They act as though we don't exist or that we have no information or knowledge that would be of any use to them. It seems to depend on who you are or what you can do for them before they will even listen to you. We, all the citizens of Peru, should be able to have a voice in our government.
Okay, three of those culprits are up for re-election. I'm all for replacing them, but do we have any citizens willing to step into their positions? Believe me, I'm ready to make it happen.
I'm offended once again that my opinion does not matter. And one of them calls up and wants to park his sign in my yard...
I asked the question on August 10th at 12:40 under the heading OUR ONLY CHOICE, will the aldermen want our help? I guess they answered that question loud and clear last night! I cannot for the life of me understand why they would not want the input of the very people who voted for them.
Maybe a better question might be "How big are their egos?"
Logical thinkers would have said "it is the people who will ultimately have to pay for any pool we build,let's ask them"
To Steve, I did not see you raise your hand and stand up to speak at the city council meeting ? Why are you blaming others ? again !
All you do is complain AFTER THE FACT.
Folks get over the complaint about the aldermen. They are DOING THE JOB YOU ELECTED THEM TO DO .
Remember we elected 8 aldermen to speak on our behalf instead of having 9900 people of peru all together in the building for a meeting.
Wow , with 9900 folks attending , can you imagine the type of meeting conducted !
You may have voted for your alderman in your ward but just maybe I did not. Just maybe some of us don't feel their aldermen have the best interest of all the citizens in their ward. Just maybe they aren't living up to our expectations. It's politics! Promises are made and hands are shaken until they get elected. Then things change.
I was there also and did not raise my hand to speak.
Yes we elected the aldermen but we did not elect them to act like authoritarian despots. We do expect them to be responsive to citizen questions, complaints and yes suggestions. To be responsible "public servants". I believe is the term. A servant serves his master which in this case is the residents of his ward. If they can't deal with that it is time to find people who can understand their responsibilities.
By voting to have a referendum, they would have been asking their constituents what they want. Is it a new pool with higher taxes? Or maybe no pool, with no increase in any taxes.
I did not vote for my aldermen. Ward 1. I voted for their opposition, but with 3 running, it was hard for their opponets to win. So 5:07 , I think one of my aldermen has only one thing on his mind, "to run for Mayor". Boy will we be in trouble. You can call the aldermen in Ward 1, and never will they agree with any of your opinions. I want to tell you , they are very stupid and have to big an ego. I hope Peru can get some new blood on the concil this next April, I will do my best to work with anyone running against Ferrari or Mertel.
9:52, I think you are spot on. Mertel for Mayor! The one who can get things done.
It's Time!
If any one is having a problem with communicating with their alderman , I suggest you know where they live , visit them and discuss your concern face to face.(no Phone calls) They will be accommodating, trust me.
All of you complaining to everyone in this blog does no good if you cannot face your alderman to discuss. I find them ALL very willing to listen and discuss issues.
I would say you as a complainer may be the one having the problem (look in a mirror, and ask yourself, what do others see?).
Act like an adult and you will be treated like one. Act otherwise and receive what you have coming!
9:06AM
I actually did that once and I will never do it again. Not a friendly reception.
It is actually an imposition to go to their home. If you are comfortable asking him to yours to discuss a concern, that would be in better taste.
Or come to a council meeting and either bring up the matter during the public comment time or speak to him before he leaves the chambers.
Any alderman that receives an email should courteously answer that in a prompt manner.
Are there actually rules of etiquette regarding this concern?
To 5:07 p.m. - You seem to be suggesting that I or anyone else in attendance at this or any other open meeting in Peru could influence these aldermen in their decision making. I know better. After observing this council for more than a few years now, I believe I understand the mind-set of most of these aldermen well enough to know that any input from me or anyone else they view as "radical", would likely send them scurrying to the opposite side of any issue. Also, the way the meetings are currently structured with public comment coming at the end of the meeting you will likely be commenting on an issue that has already been decided and by then your just sitting there dazed and demoralized by the incompetence you have just witnessed. On those few occasions when I felt I could have made an impact I have spoken. Always in vain. As a resident\taxpayer of Peru and a registered voter, I don't attend meetings to influence or make policy, I attend meetings to judge those who do.
People need to understand that the most effective way to encourage good policy is to elect good "Policy Makers". You can get up at a meeting and rant and rave about an increase in your sewer rates or a man-eating pot-hole, or a car eating man-hole until your blue in the face. It may produce results or it may just make you look like a "kook". But it really depends on whether or not you have quality elected officials up there to begin with. You're not going to get anywhere with these aldermen using confrontation as a strategy.
If you want to improve your city you only need to improve your city officials!
I think some of you have some good comments on this, and I would like to share a couple of thoughts. I've often viewed this and the previous blog as a bunch of anonymous whiners. Largely, I still do, but there have been some very productive comments as well, and that is always good.
Something that needs to be clarified though is that just because you did not vote for your alderman, he still won the election (many of them more than once). And while you do deserve respect and courtesy at all times (and I might add, so do THEY), your alderman should listen to you, but he does not have to agree with you or vote the way you want. I know most of them but none of them particulalry well and find all to be very open and fair. They are there because they care about Peru. I do believe that, even when I disagree with them.
I do not believe a tiny fraction of the population showing up at a council meeting should generally have any big impact on how they vote. Steve is right on with that...show up, watch, listen, learn and speak up at the appropriate time and in respectful manner.
But were any of you anonymous people to run for public office, you would not get my vote if I thought you were going to change your vote to accommodate a few people who like to come to meetings and complain.
I would rather my elected officials listen to the different views (including at a meeting, inthe backyard, or over email or the phone) and make an informed vote based on what they think is best. This is how democracy works, and it is exactly how our founding father intended it to work. Then, as Steve said, you can cast your one vote at election time to decide if you still want that person to make those decisions.
Despite some of your opinions, referenda should be used for a very specific question, almost always related to a specific tax for a specific purpose. Advisory referenda are for elected officials who do not want the responsibility of making a decision, and they serve no purpose other than to piss off all the people who end up on the wrong side of the issue.
The council is not all going to agree on the best approach to fixing the pool just like the gneeral population does not agree. That is why leadership matters. Some people must stop constantly blaming the council members and start looking at the overall leadership. There is one leader of every orgainzation, and the buck stops there. If the Mayor has a compelling vision, the council will have no choice but to follow.
~Positive in Peru
PIP - Thank you for your very well stated comments. I still believe an advisory referendum on a pool question could have served a constructive purpose if only to motivate people to pay enough attention to the situation to at least become informed and aware of the city's financial condition and how "unwise" it would be to construct a new pool at this time. This was one of the collateral realities I had hoped a referendum could provide. Because, as I stated im my post, there are still those on this council who are determined to spend big money on renovation or new construction. And they might succeed.
To Positive in Peru 10:27am
Amen, Amen, I agree with you 1000%. The aldermen are doing an outstanding job in light of the circumstances along with the noise from those attending the meetings.
As far as Steve, his response continues to be a whiner and wants to try after the fact, complain. I do not agree with Steve, He is wrong more times then he is right.
I would hope the citizens would understand it takes leadership of which we are lacking, rather then blaming the city council.
Steve if you are the one pushing for a referendum , then it is not the Mayor thinking on his own but is reacting with YOUR WORDS.
I wonder if the Mayor is able to think for himself and lead this city.
5:05PM
Now wait a minute, the Mayor has been asking for a referendum since the pool issue first came up months ago, Steve just happens to agree with him. Not nice to distort what people are saying.
5:03PM
Since you misinterpreted some of what Positive stated, I hope that he returns and restates what he said so you will be able to understand it. Perhaps in simpler sentence structure so you can get it.
Mertel for alderman? That's funny, how many business's was he given or had the money put up for him for these business's and they failed! I don't think that mertel is someone who should even attempt to become mayor!
I don't expect my aldermen to change just because I have a Different opinion. I just want the respect of them listening to my opinion, and not laughing at it. WARD 1
To 5:03 - Aldermen are doing an outstanding job? Two simple examples will expose your ignorance.
#1 - Ankiewicz obstructs the deal to sell the junk Gen-Sets because he says he can get more money for them. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but he can't bring himself to support any initiative of the new mayor. A very good price had been negotiated by the Electric Foreman with qualified advice from the mayor. Ankiewicz convinces the other aldermen to obstruct the deal, which they proceed to do. Ultimately, the good deal falls apart and the city is forced to accept more than $100,000 less as a result of Ankiewicz's childish meddling. Outstanding?
#2 - Municipal pool is exposed as a crumbling
wreck and a ticking time bomb of liability that could bankrupt the city if it were opened and someone was seriously injured or worse. Everyone from the city attorney, the attorneys from the Illinois Municipal League, the city's own insurance consultant and a professional pool consultant advises "Do Not Open that pool"
Because the Mayor announces it is not in the best interest of the city to open the pool and he will use his veto power to protect the city if necessary. The aldermen(with the exception of Ron Wren)immediately take the opposite position and conspire to open the pool and blatantly disregard all the professional advice not to do so. This potentially opens the city up to a crap-load of litigation if anybody is hurt.
If that is your idea of "outstanding aldermanic performance" you really need to raise the bar.
And that's only two examples of many I will continue to cite on this blog and elsewhere.
Also, there's no whining with me. If it's wrong I call it wrong. I'm criticizing inept elected officials and putting my name behind everything I say. As does Lois.
A "whiner" is clearly someone like yourself who wants take shots at us while remaining anonymous. Therefore, we continue to maintain the high ground over you and others like you.
To 5:05 a.k.a. 5:03 p.m. - You must be one of those CSI detective guys. You have it all figured out that if I and Mayor Harl take the same position on an issue......................HMMMMMM.
"There must some complicity here"! Damn, you nailed me on that one.
Or, maybe we just happened to take the same position.
ANON 11:17 I agree with you 100%. You are right on when it comes to Ward 1. I wonder if any of the other wards have the same feeling and concern.
anon 5:03 what noise are you referring to? do you expect there to never be a gasp or a sigh or a whisper uttered when someone says something that is absolutely absurd? if so, you don't understand human nature nor have you been there when our aldermen have said some pretty ridiculous comments.
Steve continues to write a book when he attempts to describe an issue. As most of his responses which are too lengthy or are absurd. It is a waste of his time to write about such bias facts. He is only wasting the time of those of us who have constructive thoughts.
Again you respond in this blog AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, but you seem NOT to have the guts to stand up at the meeting, face the aldermen face to face and say what is on your mind.
Looks like this is much to do about nothing and the bark is one heck of a lot louder then the weak bite.
8 AM
I have a suggestion for you, why don't you take your constructive comments to a city council meeting and suggest them to the Mayor and all the others in the chamber. Then you will probably even get your name and comments in the News Tribune and you won't need to bother reading this blog which you feel is a waste of time and since you only take up our time with your derogatory comments, we would not miss you either.
8 AM
I forget you don't have the courage to put your name on your posts but just hide behind your anonymous facade and make negative unfounded comments.
to 2:03 & 2:05PM
Looks like I hit a nerve for you also. Signing a name is not important but the issues are.
Sometimes the truth is very hard to take. Learn to live with it for the city council is doing the right thing for the complete city of Peru and is not favoring a minor few like who attend meeting & who continue to agitate under there breath during the meeting.
Sorry if this offends you but the fact are the facts. One can get more followers with Honey then with vinegar. Guess which side I am on ?
Saying this I doubt if you will publish this note because you would like to make sure the blogsters only know your side of the story..
Annoymous, yours truly (like many others)
8:01PM
Sorry you did not hit any nerve but your post just lends credence to what I continue to say that it is easy to hide behind anon and not have to take any responsibility for your belittling comments.
Signing your name gives credibility to what you say and also lets other readers know that you are not an outside agitator not even connected with the city. It also lets people know you are not a friend or relative of a council member trying to make them look good not for what they are doing but just because you are their friend.
Your comments do not offend me I just consider the source and after reading as many posts as I have I have learned to recognize how many are from the same person again and again.
I would hope the message sinks in. I am a concerned local peru resident . I do not like what is going on in this city since the election. We are going down the tubes fast and frankly DON'T LIKE IT. The basic reason for the decline as I see it is the results of the last election and nothing else. We would not be in this critical mess if the results of the election were the status quo of the last 40 yrs.
Period.
I , like Steve, will continue to express my views about the screwed up mess we are in and where we are going in the future. It seems like we are doomed for failure. I do not like it. I have been very proud of my city but are afraid of what I see today.
8:00 a.m. - If I don't like the movie I get up and leave. If you don't like my books, log off.
How fortunate you are that Lois is fair enough to allow your meanspirited insults.
But, where are those "constructive thoughts" you claim to possess?
You want to bring my "guts" into question as you cower anonymously behind your keyboard?
Signing a name "is" important when you call someone out like you have. I have no problem going face to face with those elected officials I criticize. And look at you.
7:43 a.m. - Your comment is so twisted from reality it is embarrassingly obvious your only purpose is to plant propaganda. If you are so uninformed as to actually believe what you just wrote then you are far beyond help or rational thought.
It is easy to criticize and point blame with an anonymous post. Half of these posts I find outright ridiculous. The past is the past, let us learn from it so as not be doomed to repeat it. I feel no matter who the current mayor or alderman were we would be in this financial jam. It is indicitive of the times. No jobs, no money, poor economy everywhere. We as citizens of Peru need to hold all elected officials accountable for their respective duties and responsibilties. Only through a cooperative effort will things improve. I was disgusted with what I saw in the past, but am hoping for a brighter future through change. Signed Concerned Southsider
Has anyone seen a list or heard of who will be attending the convention in chicago?
I do think it is Mertel, Ferrari, Potthoff and Waldorf.
How about the Mayor's secretary or other office personnel attending the convention ?
Heidi Heuser and Stephanie Piescha from the Clerks office will be going for one day for meetings that concern their jobs.
To Lois 8:49am
I wonder what in the world could they(Hiedi & Stephanie) be going to a convention for one day that could be about there Job.
(I believe they are BOTH part time employee's, right?)
Sounds like a BIG WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY and a expense for the city that we cannot afford. I think you should stand up and complain .
After all what is good for the Aldermen must also be good for two lower level employees ?
This is JUST SICKENING, how we WASTE MONEY.
Later we will wonder how we are going to pay for things without raising taxes. (Ask Gary H. I thought Gary was appointed as watchdog for the budget. What is he doing ?)
Have we no guilt???????
This was mentioned at a Finance Committee meeting. Stephanie will be getting more hours and she will be getting information from IML as she is the foia officer in the clerks office. And I believe Heidi will be learning more about the grant writing process. I have no problem with either of them going as there is a purpose and they are both involved in new types of city work. It will be a one day trip and they will drive up.
I believe Gary H. is watching over the budget and I also believe that there are certain aldermen who refuse to believe we are in debt or have a need to watch our pennies.
So anon 12:57 PM
Knowing that we have a budget issue, do you think it is wise to send a secretary and FOIA Officer to a convention for a good time on the city budget?
I don't. I think it is wrong / shameful to even suggest to support such a participation.
Gary H should step in and be heard . Maybe if Heidi and Stephanie pay ALL the expenses themselves, Do you think they would attend ?
This is an outrage.
Well I personally saw no one on the Finance Committee voice any objection. I would imagine you think it is right and proper for the city to pay for 2 days for the 4 aldermen but not ok to send 2 female employees who would use the information they get on a daily basis since that is part of their job. I am finding your outrage misplaced and a bit sexist.
OMG anon 2:26 - What makes you think our aldermen would listen to and follow the suggestion of our Treasurer? They usually don't even support their Mayor let alone the Treasurer. And, I too, find it offensive that you comment on 2 women going to the convention for 1 day but have no objection to FOUR aldermen going for 2 days (you do realize they bring their spouses with them)! You need to realize that the Finance Committee (comprised of 3 aldermen) okayed this decision. The treasurer has no vote or say.
The issue is NOT THE SKIRT. The issue is Money for the city of Peru.
If sexist attitude is what you think this is all about no wonder we got problems in the city. You all need to separate the real problem from your bias!
So lets not change the subject and make a big deal out of NOTHING! We should not waste money and make it look like it is ok if others go , so why not the two women. That is just Bull and a typical reaction as to other issues , always changing the subject.
Do you like the CAPS Steve?
You are saying it is OK for the city to pay for the Aldermen who only do work for this city on a part time basis along with their wives ( and yes we pay for them) but not ok for full time employees of the city who happen to be women, to go to the convention. You make no sense!
I bet you wanted to repair the pool also.
11:33 / 2:26 - Your "outrage" is way overplayed. Sending Stephanie and Heidi for specific training is good efficient management. Especially considering the fact that they will be driving up and back the same day. Approving aldermen to attend multiple days is questionable behavior on the part of the finance committee and the council as a whole. This would be an opportunity for these guys to step up and show some fiscal restraint. There is no doubt that there are useful and informative seminars at the IML Convention for those elected officials who possess the ability to learn from and use the experience to help their city.
This topic deserves a post of its own.
The subject of learning by attending a convention is clearly a point of lack of understanding of a convention.
Lets face it, if it walks like a duck, it looks like a duck, it is a duck.
A convention is a good time for all in attendance with NO LEARNING GOING ON. So what will the two women learn to bring back to the city? Will we get a report from each of them of how they are going to USE their learning for the city?
I would suggest that the ones that do attend give a small presentation on what they learned to the entire council. This should be done at the next city council meeting after the convention. Also they should turn in all their receipts then be reimbursed by the city. Just a suggestion.
9:45PM
Said......
"A convention is a good time for all in attendance with NO LEARNING GOING ON"
Yet it is ok for the city to pay for 4 aldermen and 4 wives to go to the convention for the good times and that means staying overnight which is when the good times happen.
The women Stephanie and Heidi are driving up in the morning and coming back at night and you are criticizing them!
Give me a break you have to be the most SEXIST individual I have encountered ever. And not only that you are disgusting, you must be a throwback to the medieval ages.
9:45 Apparently Stephanie and Heidi have given specific reasons for attending the convention. They are hoping to learn something they can use to benefit the city. Have you asked any of the aldermen what specific conference they plan to attend and how they will utilize what they learn to benefit the city? Have you also asked them why all 4 need to attend for 2 days and stay overnight at hotels in the Chicago area? Have you asked them if any are planning to drive together to save the city money for travel expenses? Have you asked them how much money they are given before they even leave? Will we get a report of how much this convention cost the city when all is said and done? You are, as Lois stated, a sexist, disgusting, biased individual.
TO ALL:
You are hitting the nail on the head.
What learning goes on at any convention? So again why send aldermen or employees regardless the circumstances. My experience is that attendance is more of bonding with like city representatives within the state.
Lois Do you understand ? For employees to attend is VERY QUESTIONABLE. Quit being Sexist and get on the correct side of this issue.
The women (part time) employees are going to learn what? Will there be a report out from all in attendance? Where is the convention listing of events to be held? Is it available ?
Has anyone spoken up to get the reports on the agenda for the next city council meeting?
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