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Sunday, January 03, 2016

For Cities, Big-Box Stores Are Becoming Even More of a Terrible Deal

For Cities, Big-Box Stores Are Becoming Even More of a Terrible Deal

This is definitely a possibility for a city like Peru and we have already seen what happens with motels and restaurants and truck stops.  Already Peru is spending lots of money for policing areas like Walmart.  We need to keep our eyes and ears open for further unwanted possiblities especially on taxation.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

yup. That is how Walmart in Peru did it. And then they asked for and got a "sale tax rebate."

Anonymous said...

He who has the slickest lawyer wins the prize. And once precedent is established it becomes gospel across the country. Look how much money IVCC wasted on the ethanol plant tax case by using a local lawyer instead of hiring one 'in the know' of tax assessments across the country. Communities will have to come up with novel solutions to fight the problem. If we don't entice some new industries into our area we will also slip into some sad tax losses. And pizza shops aren't going to fill the bill.

Anonymous said...

How about this. Cut the cost of government. Consolidate School Districts. Remove useless taxing bodies like Townships.

Anonymous said...

Lets get down to the economics of Peru providing policing for these big box stores.

Walmart sales tax may be about $600,000 a year? Your post about the cost of policing is ridiculous. Any and I mean any other city would take the deal in heartbeat. Why look for such arguments as that! People who say retail is not good for the city are the ones that have no retail. Your reaching.........

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone ever said that retail is not good for a city. What people have been expressing is that basing your entire economic development plan on retail alone is not good.

The population of this region is shrinking due to lack of good jobs. In order to increase retail spending, we need more people making more money. Trying to attract more retail to a market that is already saturated is a loosing proposition. They will just fight over the same dollar.

I believe we need to start attracting more people to the region by attracting more employers. Reduce or eliminate property tax for industrial facilities. Use the TIF laws to bring in more industrial, mining, and transportation business. Eliminate Forced Unionization and create a local Right to Work Zone. Remove County Zoning Restrictions on land that make it difficult if not impossible to develop land currently used for agriculture.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Agriculture is not a big job producer. Our County Board needs to enable, not prohibit, industrial development. We also need to bust the Unions. Starting with Local 150 Engineers and the Laborers.

Anonymous said...

Peru has a great deal of manufacturing, why call it the retail capital of the world? Eakas, James Hardie, Metacote, Nickeloid, Maze nails, etc, etc. What else can we complain about?

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:14 PM, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT UNION BUSTING! I'm laughing out loud!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, let's give the average person even less of a voice at the table and make the corporate multimillionaires and billionaires even wealthier. Because that is good for the economy. I do not belong to a union and I still think rants like this are crazy. All unions do is give the average person some say in the matter. You cannot beat a good union tradesman.

As for the retail comments 12:41 is spot on. It's not that Peru ONLY wants retail, it is just that Peru has been successful in getting it. WE do have a number of other strong employers and EVERYONE wants them but you don't just call them up and they show up! If it were that easy everyone would be getting them.

I laugh at comments here because most have no clue what it takes to try to bring a business here. Most towns would cut off their right arm to get one or two decent retailers and we have hundreds but somehow everything LaSalle, Streator and Ottawa does is awesome but Peru is just so clueless.

Meanwhile the rest of the world keeps moving forward while anonymous people bitch and cry about our horrible local government, schools, unions or whatever. I know! Let's shut down the schools and eliminate all unions! Then everything would be better right? WRONG said the other 90 percent of the population with a brain.

Anonymous said...

12:41. You are correct. But we need more. Manufacturing is not as labor intensive as it once was. A good goal would be to double the number of industrial facilities that the county currently hosts. It does not have to be all in Peru either... LaSalle, Oglesby, Ottawa, Spring Valley and even Streator and Mendota all should trying to get more industry. I have given up on Peru doing anything but looking for increased sales tax revenue.

As far as the unions go, all it takes is one vote and they will be out. They are useless parasites.

Anonymous said...

3:31 I agree with you about a regional approach. Any jobs like this in the Illinois Valley is beneficial to the entire area.

You are just wrong about Peru caring about nothing but getting retail. Peru is in a position where retail attracts more retail. That is not a bad thing but they work just as hard as anyone to help bring business in. I do think they need to address the issue with the industrial electric rates but most everything else is in a good position.

Unions are going to be around to some degree forever. People do have rights. Unions are a fraction of the size they used to be. I guess I just don't get the hateful comments. Seems unnecessary to me.

Anonymous said...

People have rights. Then why do Unions and some Elected Officials think people need to be forced to pay union dues?

Rights is what "Right to Work" is all about. It confirms each INDIVIDUALS right to associate or not.

Anonymous said...

I'll never pay dues to a Labor Union. Even if I work in a "union shop" I will refuse to pay "dues" to them. The unions are running a protection SCAM just like the Mafia.

Anonymous said...

I'm not against right to work. I am against bashing individuals who belong to the union wherher by their choice or not. I also hate it when people make nasty comments about people who work "for the government." Most I know work just as hard as people in the private sector. These are jobs. There's no sense in targeting individual people or making personally insulting comments like happen so often on here.

But your biggest enemy in terms of the government at the state and federal level is not unions. It's large corporations. They hold far more power than any unions it is never ever in your best interest or mine.

Anonymous said...

you know many of the largest unions make more money than large "corporations." They do this by extorting money from their members and they businesses they work for.

Don't try to make it out as David vs. Goliath... unless you name the unions as Goliath.

Anonymous said...

look at these Local 150 Salaries.

Rec. Corres. Secretary - $280K
President, Business Manager - $245K
Legal Department - $240K
Finance - $210K

that is just the Local 150, not the national union.

How many front line operating engineers does it take to support one of these union officials. That is why construction cots so much.

Anonymous said...

Skoogy Do is having an Open House at the office in Spring Valley on 1/16/2016. This is odd because it is a Saturday, and most normal people will not be at work. This is not the normal mode of operation for a politician. Usually, they have their open houses during the work week - like Boss Harl does with the chamber of commerce "breakfasts." Normal people can't go to those - it is for the elites only.

Anyway, everyone should go the Skoogs event and tell him to support a 100% balanced budget without increasing taxes (this means services will have to be cut) AND local right to work zones. Tell him we don't need any pork projects and we expect him to fight ALL pork spending.

Anonymous said...

12:31 The real crime is that those union dues also pay to endorse political candidates. Even small town Peru USA has had many dollars of union dues--educational fund- to pay for signs and advertising for the select candidate. Does it make a difference? In a small town the money goes along way.

Anonymous said...

Skoogy Do is sounding like a Republican. Are we sure he was appointed by the correct party? His quote in the paper today concerning Obama and the new gun rules is spot on. Thank you Andy.

Anonymous said...

12:31 PM $975K for 4 Executive Administrative Positions? What is your complaint-do you believe this is too low or too high?
I would think that it takes no more than 2 to 3 front line operating engineers to support the wages of all 4 of these positions.What must be remembered in all wage negotiations is that someone has to end up the highest and someone has to end up the lowest.
Thankfully Local 150 did not take a raise at its last contract so that it would end up in the middle of all wages paid in our area.Most of the wages for charitable organizations make the same sums you are questioning look like peanuts!

Anonymous said...

last contract with who? Those wages show that the working men and women of Local 150 are paying the "one percenters" that rule over the union. The executives of Local 150 are "breaking the back of the working man!"

Anonymous said...

Lois what do you think about the nursing home closing? Why would they close in LaSalle and stay open in Peru? LaSalle has so much going and Peru has nothing. And the population is getting so old around here I don't understand how a nursing home can close.

Peru Town Forum said...

Evidently neither one was full to capacity and since the same corporation owns both, they feel it is not economically feasible to keep both open. Here is another thought, there are a multitude of corporations supplying 24 hour a day assistance at home...they will cook and assist the person in their care and in larger suburban areas will even supply you with a care giver who speaks your language sometimes.
Here is another thought perhaps in the future this area may not need the number of nursing homes that we did in the past. Mom or Dad remains in Peru but their children move away to other parts of the state or to another state and in time when care is needed they are moved to the area where the children live and either live with them or live in an assisted living facility close to them. Additionally Peru and several cnearby cities have the apartment size living quarters for older folks that are rentals like the Stough residences. People that can afford in home care will get that from agencies and the nursing homes will be mostly public aid facilities and right now nursing home are not receiving state aid payments due to the budget issues we have in Illinois. Heritage Health is the only one accepting public aid in our L-P area. This has absolutely nothing to do with the facility being in La Salle or Peru, it is one facility is much newer that the other and evidently requires less repairs at this time.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:42
Are you serious? For your sake I hope not. 4 individuals breaking the back of the working man? Even the dumbest of the dumb know better than this.

Anonymous said...

10:49. Yes, that is just four individuals. But almost everyone that works at the Local 150 HQ makes north of $100K, I believe average is $150K. So the only people being helped by the Union are the direct Union Employees. Not the hard working individuals that they are bilking out of thousands of dollars in dues every year.

Anonymous said...

Stop with the "Skoogy Do" crap and it would be "Doo" anyway for your play on names. You sound ridiculous and you aren't funny. I don't even know the guy but the name calling on here puts you far below the very people you intend to criticize.

And 2:15 why are you telling us what we should go tell Mr. Skoog? Can't we figure that out for ourselves. You make up way too high of a percentage of the comments which means you have way too much time on your hands. I think we all can speak for ourselves.

I look forward to your degrading, pathetic insult.

Anonymous said...

what value do those union officials produce? Answer - they produce nothing. They are parasites.

Anonymous said...

What is wrong in this world when we have Skoog commenting on Presidential action! And a city spends $30,000 for signs directing you to the police station? Maybe its not the climate that people are leaving Illinois. Can't wait for the next Illinois VALLEY news.

I don't mind if the newspaper quotes Kinzinger or even State Senate Rezin. I do laugh when they seek out the local bar-tender appointed Rep. that now suddenly is a expert on a National crises! I also chuckle that Skooger is getting a group together as advisors. You bet the bottom dollar these advisors will be deep pocket political hacks that will work the campaign for the next year. Local union reps, a few loyal democrat mayors, and anybody with money that wants to buy our new House leader.

Anonymous said...

8:01, I guess I'll call you the Mindless Minion... you are parroting that mindless morning guy that lost his second amendment rights a few years ago.

Concerning the topic of Skoogy's remarks. Do you know how many bills are in the Illinois State House and Senate that are trying to restrict firearms in one way or another right now? There are 30 different bills that might be voted on this session that will restrict 2nd Amendment Rights in Illinois in one way or another if they are passed. Its the same group of Chicago Democrats that continue to push these issues every year. I think it is important that we know how our Representative is going to vote on these bills. His remarks where appropriate for a member of the Illinois Legislature.

Anonymous said...

nothing wrong with Skoog commenting on that - the topic is a local issue also and there are countless actions from Chicago politicians every year in the Illinois Legislature. In fact, the anti-gunners have determined that they cant get anything done at the national level and are putting all their efforts (and money) into bills at the State level.

Anonymous said...

I guess it would be more beneficial if some of the current topics in Illinois were answered by the new Rep. I doubt we will get anything more than the Madigan response.

What issues....

Are public employee unions beneficial to the taxpayer?
What is your solution for unfunded pension crises with Illinois teachers?
Should taxing bodies be eliminated or consolidated?
What are you going to do to make Illinois less than the current highest taxed State in the US?
How would you bring business back to Illinois?
Why is the workers compensation rates in Illinois the highest in the nation?
What about the free public aid programs? Should we continue to fund 1 out 2 with freebies, when the State is bankrupt/
Where are you on balancing the budget? And what cuts do you support?

Better call Mike about these. Instead comment on hunting guns. Did Skoog even understand that Obama action has nothing to do with getting rid of your deer rifle?

Anonymous said...

9:34 you say the same crap over and over again. It makes you feel like a big shot to talk down about elected people. You can laugh at Skoog, but the rest of us are laughing at you.

The brand new state representative made a statement on what the president is doing in regard to gun control. I do care what he thinks, as state law sometimes follows or is more restricting than federal law. Why is it bad to know his position on a very current and hotly debated issue? He represents me in the Illinois House of Representatives and I personally agree with and respect his opinion. Good for him.

That may be beneath you, the high and might anonymous blog poster that you are, but I respect public officials who make their feelings known, especially when it goes against their own party.

Oh and one last thing and I'm done with you. Our founding fathers were of many trades. Some were beer men. Franklin was a printer. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Many state reps are farmers. Who cares? He is a normal person with a normal job who is now in a public office! Why is that a bad thing? I like normal people who fill these positions and I feel they are far better equipped to represent me than career politicians.

Get over yourself. Your comments are very tired.

Anonymous said...

11:35, here is what the answers should be:

Are public employee unions beneficial to the taxpayer? - Absolutely NOT

What is your solution for unfunded pension crises with Illinois teachers? - Raise tuition and local taxes and remind the voters how this happened - especially during events in the unnecessary multi-million dollar sports complexes and school editions.


Should taxing bodies be eliminated or consolidated? - Yes, particularly school districts. Districts that serve a base population of less than 10,000 should be consolidated.

What are you going to do to make Illinois less than the current highest taxed State in the US? - Cut all nonessential spending by at least 10%.

How would you bring business back to Illinois? - Eliminate Forced Unionization, Reform Workers Compensation Laws, Torte Reform, Eliminate law schools at all public universities (just kidding).

Why is the workers compensation rates in Illinois the highest in the nation? - Because the Trial Lawyers Association refuses to allow limits.

What about the free public aid programs? Should we continue to fund 1 out 2 with freebies, when the State is bankrupt. Nope.

Where are you on balancing the budget? And what cuts do you support? - All Grants for recreational programs. All grants to local governments.

Anonymous said...

I guess you don't understand the Presidential action on gun control and how inappropriate it is that we have a local politician commenting on something that he didn't research or read. The Obama action puts a time ban on weapons that are sold on the internet and in traveling gun shows. It has nothing and nothing to do with your hunting rifle. It has to do with the problem of selling automatic weapons not hunting rifles to those who may not be able to have the ability or the mental fortitude to do it safely. The ability to get automatic guns used only for warfare to illegal immigrants, mental patients is insane. Wake up! As far as anybody giving their opinion about anything is ok. Even for any line of work. I think we all expect those that represent us to have a knowledge about the bill before they react. That would be expected out of any normal person and required for any elected official. Its not at all a laughing matter but soon will be.

Anonymous said...

11:52, I'm with you. We need every day people in the legislature with strict limits on how long they can serve. There should be no such thing as an Illinois Legislative Retirement Fund. Nobody should serve long enough to retire. It still amazes me that Madigan has been in office since 1971! He has spent virtually his entire adult life in the Illinois House. He is working on his 45th Year! He has been in the House since Nixon was president. He has been the Speaker of the House since Reagan was President! He has been in the House since Richard Ogilvie was Governor and seven governors since!

Anonymous said...

12:25 - you are clueless on the subject. First off, you cannot purchase "automatic" weapons in Illinois. Some states still allow private ownership of "automatic" weapons and suppressors with the permission of the Federal Government. I believe the term you are looking for is "semi-automatic" which allows the next round to be chambered after the gun is fired. You still have to pull the trigger each time. That being said, you cannot purchase any firearms at a "traveling gun show" without getting a background check in accordance with the existing law. Anyone that makes it their business to sell firearms requires a Federal License and they are required to use the NICS system before transferring firearms.

About the only thing the president did is redefine who is in the business of selling firearms. This will only effect individuals transferring one or two guns a year. Nothing he did will prevent a criminal or mentally defective from obtaining an illegal firearm.

I challenge you to try to purchase a gun without getting a background check at any gun show, gun store, or on-line source that is legally available. Concerning the on-line sources - you still need to use a local federally licensed dealer to transfer the gun.

Anonymous said...

the president acted illegally.

Anonymous said...

12:24 Thanks for your response.

I like your common sense solutions to a few problems. And would support you if you were the House representative. The failure is that we won't get these comments coming from our appointed rep. And we won't get those votes that we need to make the change. It is total craziness that his first comment is in support of guns on the national scale. He won't ever have the opportunity to vote on this issue, instead waste our time and get the support of the NRA. Or try to pin gun control on limiting hunters right to own a hunting rifle. Maybe his next comment will be on right to life. You have to be able to know what the constitutional amendments are before you take the oath to abide by them.

Anonymous said...

Well - I am a Republican. If Skoog gets an endorsement from the Illinois State Rifle Association and the Republican candidates does not - then that is the tie breaker and he gets my vote.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Skoog has voted in more Republican primaries than Democratic ones. He is not just acting like a Republican - he actually is one! President Obama is not trying to take away anyone's guns. The NRA just tells you that every time anyone mentions anything to do with gun regulations. They are fear mongers, nothing more. Without the fear they create, no one would join the organization. Kind of like unions when they tell you it's in your best interest to join up and fight against the very company that employs you. Bottom line, Mr. Skoog is campaigning for votes in an election year. That is what his job requires. I actually feel he is sincere in his statement and that he will be a good moderate voice in the legislature, the same way Frank Mautino was. I do feel the President should have pushed for stricter punishments for gun crimes. Stricter background checks will not do much to reduce gun violence.

Anonymous said...

7:28- The health care company is going to turn that nursing home into low income housing. They chose to close the LaSalle complex and keep the Peru one open, because Peru does not allow low income housing. LaSalle already has some on Grant St. The state gives a stipend to cities that have low income housing, based on the number of people in that housing. Peru has been missing out on this revenue for years. LaSalle will get the better deal in the end.

Anonymous said...

Andrew Skoog is having open meetings in which everyone is invited. He is giving everyone a opportunity to learn what each of us want. He is working hard and giving his new job a 110% effort. Frank Mautino did a great job in his years in office and now Andy Skoog has stepped into the same office with his wheels spinning and giving a effort to acknowledge he is there. One must realize that the new guy on the block is not going to tell Mike Madigan nor any other long term politician what to and how to, and he, I and everyone else should realize this. But he is giving his dampest to find what we want and in time to express it. Andy Skoog deserves the support of his district and I wish him the best of luck.
Finally I wish to briefly address the unprofessional name calling of Andy. He, as Mayor Harl don't deserve this treatment. Whoever, and it is very few, does this is only showing a cowardly act and this act qualifies their comment to be censured.

Anonymous said...

"President Obama is not trying to take away anyone's guns." - Yes he is. He stated so in no uncertain terms, "If I could get away with it, I'd ban every gun and confiscate them." - 2012.

Now for some facts. There are roughly 32,000 deaths a year in the US involving firearms. This number is declining every year even though the number of gun owners are increasing at exponential rates.

Of these deaths, 60% are suicides. 3% are accidents. 4% are justified self defense. 33% are homicides.

Of the homicides. 80% are gang related.

We don't have a gun problem in this country - we have a gang problem. Time to start putting these thugs in jail and keeping them there.

The president is the one doing the fear mongering. Not the NRA.

Anonymous said...

Skoog is learning quickly. $22,000 in campaign fundraising. $15,000 from the laborers legislative committee.

Anonymous said...

7:49 - that facility would not work for standard housing. They would need to tear down the building and build new. Also, that company is not in the housing business, they are in the healthcare business.

Something to keep in mind. The older population will now start to decrease. This facility catered to people without resources - mostly. The new places in Peru are for people that have resources. They don't take Medicade. But anyway, as the Boomers work through the system, the new Villas in Peru just might become Section 8 IF they are eventually sold off due to not having enough customers.

Anonymous said...

No they won't turn into low income housing because Peru does not allow low income housing complexes. I remember when the north LaSalle units were built on Grant St. Originally J wanted to build them in Peru. But baker wouldn't let him. And that is how Baker screwed Peru out of all the state money that comes with those low income units all those years.

Anonymous said...

All the money that Peru was screwed out of would have been spent on police, delinquent power bills, and delinquent water bills.

But to say the "Peru does not allow low income housing" is living in the past. I predict that most of the homes south of Route 6 will be Section 8 in 10 to 15 years. In 25 years, the retirement villas will be converted to standard rental.

Anonymous said...

you don't get it. the city should be working to make ALL of the housing low income. the state would pay all of those utility bills plus provide the police. the people would live here for free and the city's money would not need to be spent AT ALL.

Anonymous said...

8:02, Thank you Mr. Karl Marx.

Anonymous said...

Since we have all these CORPORATIONS using our water and electricity - we really need to stick it to them by quadrupling the electric and water rates for CORPORATIONS. At the same time, the city should reduce the single family residential rates to ZERO!

Anonymous said...

How did a former barber shop and hair salon get liquor licenses? Route 6 is being turned into THE STRIP.

Peru Town Forum said...

11:41 A.M.

Glad someone else noticed and I must ask "Is this the Route 6 we are spending so much money promoting?" And even have a Route 6 committee . Not all business locations are on the committee or even asked for input.

Seems like every time I pass through the city, I see more neon lights and signs. VIDEOS AND SLOTS. At one time La Salle was called Little Reno and it looks like the title has been passed to Peru. Not that la Salle does not have the same but they simply seem more scattered and not on Rte 6.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't one of the "video and slots" new location on Rte. 6 belong to the head of the Rte. 6 Improvement Committee?

Anonymous said...

If you are talking about the economic director for Peru, that is the building he owns. Do not know if this is a business he brought into the city or what, but it sure is inteesting.

Anonymous said...

They will all go broke. The local market can't support this many mini-casinos. One or two will survive, the rest will go under.

On another note. Route 6 is no longer "Downtown Peru." I think we need to get Mr. Skook and Boss Harl to petition the federal and state governments to reroute Rt. 6 along Shooting Park Road (the new Downtown). Instead of turning left at Joliet Street in LaSalle, turn Right and then left on 11th which turns into Shooting Park Road in Peru. Have it run all the way to the Delzell Road and then back south St. Bede.

Think of the money that would be saved by rerouting this stretch of route 6. Shooting Park Road is more heavily traveled than Route 6 in Peru. The funds to maintain it would be shifted to the Federal Government that has oodles of moony. We might even be able to get some stoplights and Uncle Sam's dime. !

Anonymous said...

Yes, this is Vickrey's building although I am sure it is camouflaged if it is his business, silent partner or such. The legal gaming machines in no way can be compared to LaSalle's when called Little Reno. First of all in its heyday of illegal gambling each location employed a large workforce at good wages, today legal gambling establishments need to employ only 1 person/shift at a lower than minimum wage.
Secondly the roll over to many other businesses was huge. Think back to the number of large hotels in LaSalle Peru, theaters, amount of entertainment etc., etc., etc.
Third the large amount of money spent on gambling was outside people who travelled to our towns to gamble. Very little of it was locals.
Lastly has anyone thought of the fact that whenever someone mentions what bob vickrey has brought to Peru as new business how many of these places are slot machine video establishments with a few out of towners who own locations such as Suzy's making all the money rather than local owners.
The legal gaming parlors which have to have a liquor license turn their purchased beer back to the salesman every 90 days because it has become outdated.If the state does not handle medical drugs better than it has handled legal gaming we have the biggest problem that we have ever seen on the way. It appears what when the government cannot effectively enforce the law it avoids the issue by making it legal. Believe me folks the same people who ran these businesses illegally will operate them when they are legal. The people who know any business the best are those who have experience in them.

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:42 PM Please take off the earmuffs and let something sink in. Presently your comments appear to be from The Land of the Brain Dead.

Anonymous said...

5:26- It's not a joke. I am not one of those Marx brothers from TV. The state has all of the income tax money from the rich people in the suburbs plus the taxes from the corporations. That is the money that would be used to pay for our police and to pay those utility bills. If all of Peru were low income housing the city would have all that state money and then the city would not have to spend any money.

Anonymous said...

12:33, you are indeed one of the Marc Brothers. Karl wrote the Communist Manifesto. You are indeed the modern incarnation of him and a true Communist.
Who do you think pays the state? Corporations do not tax - any tax imposed on a business is passed on to the customer.

Anonymous said...

There has been many tries to locate low-income housing in Peru. I agree with the need and understand why Peru has not been active in that market. The main reason is that Putin Potthoff has been a active opponent on the Peru city council against this for years. He has derailed apartment complexes, and when there was property available in north Peru he filled the council with anti-housing residents. If you get rid of Ald. Putin Pothoff you got the housing we need.

Anonymous said...

There is no "need" for low income housing. There are plenty of section 8 houses for rent. The government prefers that method vice making Ghettos.

Anonymous said...

12:11, who is Putin Potthoff, I know a Dave Potthoff, never heard of the other one, Grow up and leave the name calling to grade schoolers!!

Anonymous said...

Aldermen Potthoff's 1st name is David. Aldermen David Potthoff only has one vote of 8 in the Peru City Council. Yes he as any of the 8 has influence but after 20 plus years of experience he should have a knowledge of what it takes to have progress and express it. What others take out of his expressions are themselves accountable for it.

Anonymous said...

Progress is not public housing. Public housing is the beginning to the end. I'll send a check for his next campaign.

Anonymous said...

Ask Chicago what public housing has done? You can't effectively put people together that close and have a utopia. Schools suffer, crime increases, and businesses leave. Its not a statement, its fact. I live in a area in north Peru and at one time a public housing area was bought and proposed. Peru went into action and Potthoff rallied the city to buy the property. It was bought by Peru and then sold to a developer for single family nice homes. This was a very big topic some years ago. The public housing unite were going down in Chicago and they were re-locating them in rural areas. We could have had 300-400 units in the are above 24th street. This action was a big reason Peru still has a good school system and very little big city crime. I remind David that the effort was important in many ways that many of us take for granted.

Anonymous said...

Anyone on here that thinks it is a good idea to encourage public housing is completely insane or completely ignorant. That is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If you want taxes to go up, just put a much greater burden on our police, our schools and our community in general.

What we want is EXACTLY the kind of residential development we have had in Peru. Nice single family residences.

Government housing. Are you freaking kidding me? Spring Valley and LaSalle have it all over. Need we say more?

Anonymous said...

I heard the Oprah is buying up houses in Peru and will be giving them to single moms from Chicago. :)

Then she is going to extend the CTA to Peru, so the gang bangers can come shop at our Wally World.

Anonymous said...

Another article in tonight's paper about the future of the nursing home. It will be low income housing. LaSalle will collect the revenue from it and Peru will be left out.

Anonymous said...

6:27. Precisely how will hospital rooms be converted into housing. Maybe you are thinking of a "Low Income Motel."

These rooms are small. They don't have a kitchen. Most share bathroom facilities. They are mostly configured as rooms with two beds. They are NOT apartments.

Given the neighborhood that it is in - I suspect that the facility will be demolished and the property subdivided into two or three large properties with McMansions typical of the neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

For tghose of you who are "swallowing" the bait "hook, line, and sinker" from the person advocating for Public housing in Peru all I can say to you is GET A FREAKIN' Clue! Hellloooo! You are being played people.
As for you 3:52 PM, your recollection of a 200 to 300 unit Public Housing complex having been proposed for Peru some time ago is terribly overstated and exagerated. I know because I have been around for a long time and I live in the part of town where we're just "regular folk". Your many years living "up North" in Peru have left you suffering from a severe case of elitism and self-importance coupled with a misguided admiration of the long time 4th Ward "insider alderman" from the other side of town. Dave Potthoff, like every other alderman for years and years did exactly as he was told by Don Baker. Just as they do now for the corrupt regime of Scott Harl. The more things chage, the more they stay the same in Peru I'm sorry to say.