It has really gotten to the point that absolutely no consideration is now given to those who give their time to go to a meeting. First it was the 3 x 5 permission to speak cards and then told it was not a question and answer time, only comment and last week someone was put down because the mayor was unhappy with the end of meeting comment.
It is hard to understand when aldermen ask questions about a topic to be voted on and seem to express their disapproval and then turn around and vote to approve what they have just questioned but did not receive an answer to.
For the mayor or anyone else to take the council into closed session at the beginning of the committee of the whole meetings or a regular council meeting without announcing that ahead of time is the epitomy of rudeness. Time is money and valuable for most families and to have to sit and wait is totally unnecessary and shows a lack of respect to the residents.
I have attended fewer and fewer council meetings for those reasons and will not encourage any of you to attend unless you are getting some respect and information from your time spent there. This does not mean I won't keep up with what is happening but simply find better ways to get the information.
Another decision this morning. Since I make myself vulnerable to malicious comments by having the audacity to sign my name, I have been criticized by some people when they disagree or just because they don't like the public knowing what is taking place in this city, I will no longer publish comments that have a personal vendetta and with nothing worthwhile to add to a conversation. I am not an elected official and I cannot vote or influence our current elected officials. They need to take the comment mine and yours, good or bad due to their votes and decisions because it is within their power to do right or wrong.
When was the last time any public official opened themselves to up criticism or compliments outside the council chambers in an informal meeting with their constituents?
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By choosing to not attend, you are allowing them to win. That is exactly what they want.
Please understand that Harl and most of the aldermen know exactly what they are doing when they restrict and suppress the right of the public to comment and or ask questions in open meeting. They know full well that folks will get discouraged by this tactic and this will result in fewer and fewer "troublemakers" bothering them with at meetings. It's a sorry state of affairs when you can't get accountability during a public meeting.
I am not saying who my alderman is because he will receive negative backlash he doesn't deserve. He has always been respectable in answering my questions and has been for many years. He has common sense and won't spend city money without reason. I disagree with your statements about city representatives.
just keep watching the videos. Nothing happens at the council meeting anyway - it is all decided in the committees and the full council meeting is merely a rubber stamp event.
Need to push to have the committee meetings recorded.
9:12 AM
Many of us will know who your alderman is from your comment and yes you are correct about him but that does not excuse the remaining ones.
To 9:12 am, There is no hiding the fact that your alderman is either Potthoff or Ferrari. It's very commendable that your alderman has been respectable answering your questions for many years. How nice for you that you feel he is a common sense representative. You are fortunate in the sense that you are under the impression that you have a good alderman. With that said I respectfully submit to you that your alderman has you right where he wants you. Under the "impression" that you are well represented. I'm sorry to have to tell you that you need to look a lot closer than you obvioulsly have been. Potthoff and Ferrari have been in far too long and have been on Cruise Control for at least the past 12 years doing nothing more than pretending to be quality aldermen. Ferrari is in it becuase he needs the $5,000 salary, and Potthoff is still in it to protect the legacy of the family name in Peru politics and to stand guard over the memory of his father and Don Baker's tenure. Dave knows where all the skeletons are buried in Peru and he is the only remaining guardian of the Peru "system" of good ol' boys still in power. He is purely political in every sense and he is just as responsible as anyone for the lack of leadership that currently plagues Peru. Let me remind you that Ferrari and Potthoff were complicit in the phony-baloney Judge Balestri report that was orchestrated by the city council to "bury" the Harl payroll scandal.
Unfortunately, it's people like you who don't pay proper attention and just keep on electing these guys becuase their names are familiar to you. You need to expect much more from your elected officials then respectable chit-chat. You need to realize that Peru needs real leadership, not pleasant conversation.
I thought 9:12 was talking about Alderman Perez!
10:47 why would those guys bury a Harl scandal? What gain would they have by protecting Mayor Harl? Maybe you know more than me, its hard to believe that Judge Balestri would give somebody a phony-baloney report?
Yes, I have been in the city a few years and have gone to a few meetings, and have had conversations with Alderman both past and present. I like the fact that a few still value the wisdom of the old system and take a conservative approach to city government. Don Baker wasn't that bad and had done many good things for the city of Peru. I am not aware that the FBI has ever investigated Mr.Baker. If you open your ears you will find out that you can learn from the past and look forward to the future. Again, I don't want to mention names and won't. If your looking to damage the reputation of those who served the City like Don, Jack, Wayne, Bob, Joe, Ed, Frank, and more. Your really getting desperate. They were simple people that did what they could in creating a better city.
Commenting there is over rated. Some enjoy confrontation, seeing the faces redden. But that is their turf.
You will never get answers from them. Never straight ones anyway. This blog has replaced public comment. They mock it, say no body reads it. But thats not true.
People read it. The few sentences of quotes from the Trib when people talk are not worth much. If you want to put something into public record, without censorship, send it to them.
Attend only to see the show once in a while. You only need be there a few times. But to affect change, hammer your representative, constantly, in writing, demanding a response to specific questions. Blog. Foia till they need to hire two interns just to keep up. Reach out beyond the City. Energize the IVCC groups. Document. Tape meetings, its legal. Form Pacs and donate to them. If there wer two dozen Kristy s and Lois s, things would change.
Don't fight harder. Fight smarter.
All you need to know about the Illinois Valley is that the Miller Group tries to sell its pictures from the paper online.
And people buy them.
Less than 4 years ago a motion was made and seconded to eliminate the Wednesday night informal meeting and make all meetings the same as Monday nights formal meeting. This was to enable the council to conduct a vote at every meeting.
During a informal meeting all in attendance were allowed to express themselves as they felt necessary. Sadly the change to all meetings being formal has also erased audience expression, participation, and immediate thoughtful input.
The informal meeting also was a presentation and talk it over meeting and than the council had a period to think things over and than vote on it at the next meeting, also all constituents had a time frame to contact their aldermen and voice their opinion. I preferred the old way it was quite a bit more American and reflected a democracy rather than a 3X5 card monarchy and mentality.
The decision to make all meetings formal was a sincere, well intended idea which because of certain manipulations by a few has failed. In the thought of change one must remember as people and ideas change even the best ideas can be skewered to fail.
Anybody can put on a show and be pleasant and make people think they really working for them. When actually they're fake, unqualified, and lazy. I like good honest people to represent the people. If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk! Heck, for 5k a year, I'll attend the meetings as an Alderperson which in actuality I don't know nothing pertaining to why I voted "yes". What's the saying about ducks?
@12:49 PM Your comment reminds one of the "KISS Management Theory". KISS meaning Keep It Simple Stupid". Why get fancy when simple works?
This is typical of residents of Peru attitude walk around and complain about things but then have a pair of blinders on their eyes and plugs in their ears. You people talk about change of government and city manager but from what I heard only 5 people really campaigned for open alderman initiative. That's the big problem here....great organizers but no support. I know first hand the no people spent over 10k to win that. Until you realize that money wins races things will stay the same. I hope the rerun alderman initiative.... I was a local lunch spot and heard a.name running in 3rd ward and he has great ideas for our city. I hope he gets elected!!!
6:31
I have heard the same thing, new person running in 3rd ward. The current alderman will have a tough battle to keep his seat!
Off subject here, but I see the pickleball ambassador's house is up for sale. Does this mean we don't have to pay to change the Washington Park tennis courts to pickleball courts? Who will teach pickleball if the current ambassador moves out of town? Isn't it a coincidence that the original 3 year trial for pickleball at 28th Street Park would have ended this year, and the ambassador is moving this year?
Wow 11:48 if what you are saying is true the city got suckered paying for not only one court but two if Washington Park is converted.
11:48 Is it a coincidence? This 3 year trial period? When he leaves town will the ambassador care one way or another whether Peru has a pickleball court? Is it a success? Have the numbers increased? Has anyone asked this question? Will the city spend more money?
Not showing up doesn't mean "they" win. This city is at a stage where the mindset of the electorate needs to change, not the people at city hall.
I think we should all go to the next Rec Board meeting and find out what the plans are for the future of pickleball.
Just because a home is up for sale doesn't mean that the owner is leaving town. As usual, just jumping to the first conclusion that comes to mind.
Newstrib had posting about twp budget, it's not approved yet? How can they be paying bills without an approved budget, Supervisor just does whatever he feels like without regard to law Pulaski st is a mess no budget this year and now i hear today possible sanctions for supervisor lying to trustees...what a mess. What's next?
6:12 How do you know that anyone is jumping to conclusions? How do you know that maybe someone has facts?
It's Sunday MEMORIAL DAY weekend. Peru cemetery is a disgrace. The lawn looks absolutely terrible. Incompetent job! Whose responsible for mowing? Please take a ride through cemetery and you will understand what I'm saying. Whoever is in charge of this should be FIRED immediately!!!!!!!
Burnham illinois. The former village clerk nancy dobrowski pleaded guilty to stealing more than $650,000. Wire fraud and filing false tax returns. Cheaters, liars(until they get caught), thieves!
Speaking of the cemetery can anyone tell me what the CSO does with the flags they put in the cemetery after Memorial Day is over? The reason I ask is because every year they ask for exactly $600 for flags for the cemetery.
2:04 - I would hope the flags are disposed of with honor.
5:03 My point is "is there a reason the same flags cannot be used over and over until they are worn out"? Do they have to be new every year?
I think that after they are placed, they remain there for the summer. Maybe somebody can answer that for sure. I just know I see flags all summer long.
These flags are placed by volunteers. That is wrong, they should be placed by paid employees.
6:18 PM
Wrong, the military many of whom were volunteers would be honored to have flags placed on their graves. I have military in the Peru cemetery and I don't want paid employees putting flags out, I am honored that volunteers do.
Lois, I totally agree with you as far as volunteers putting the flags on the graves, I'm a vet and it's an honor to have a volunteer take care of my fathers grave rather than someone getting paid for it without really respecting what the reason is behind it, thank you for your thought on this.
I have read FB comments about Washington Park not well maintained for the Memorial Day celebration. Were you there and what did you see?
Volunteers should not do work that would normally be done by city employees. There was a study last year that determined 63 million American volunteered more than 8 billion hours. This equals about $173 billion taken from local government employees and removed from the economy. Volunteers erode the number of hours available to local union employees. At a minimum, volunteers should be mandated to pay a fee to the appropriate union before giving away their labor. This would allow the union sufficient time to file an objection and possibly organize a response.
Is it true that the peru cemetery wasn't mowed? Just parts of it. Off topic here, but I read this, so very true. A PERSONS INTEGRITY IS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE POSSESSIONS THEY CAN HAVE. ONE SHOULD PROTECT IT, CULTIVATE IT. WEAR IT WITH PRIDE. I wonder how many people linked to the Peru political arena have INTEGRITY?
Wow, Lois, is somebody giving you a hard time? Don't let anybody bully you into changing. I'm sure it gets frustrating at times, but keep doing what you're doing!
12:37 I totally agree with you. Lois keep doing what you feel is right because that is what will make Peru a better place to live. People need to take off their blinders and see and hear what's going on around them. Since our elected officials refuse to answer questions or communicate with their constituents this blog and yes, you Lois are a vital part of this community. Keep up the good work and keep us informed on matters that we may never hear or see elsewhere.
Do you people like anything? Get a life
1:55
yes I like volunteers!!
Hey 1:55 evidently you don't like the truth because of this forum/BLOGSITE many people have found out how corrupt the city of peru is. I say to many, "live an honest life."
The TRUTH brought the FBI to town.
I repeat my comment- GET A LIFE
I think that city officials have a "personal vendetta" against people who attend council meetings and HAVE to fill out a 3 x 5 card before public comment, and also the way many Alderpersons/mayor have treated them. Freedom of speech. THIS BLOGSITE ISNT A CLOSED SESSION COUNCIL MEETING. If I felt that a comment was made regarding me where someone has a personal vendetta against me, I would respond to the comment. Evidently there must be some truth behind the comment because I didn't respond. Some people think they are good at manipulating people and issues. Hats off to those who don't buy the bologna.
Anon 3:28PM If the FBI was brought to Peru in search of the TRUTH they will be here along, long time. The TRUTH in Peru has been covered up and hidden by lies, illegal business practices, half and inaccurate business statememnts made by politicians and their polical appointees (professional and non-professional) that the layers stacked aboved the TRUTH have become high and wide. Full disclosure of the truth became impossible upon the purchase of one modern technical innovations less than 6 years ago and today carried on thru the misuse of transparency i.e. closed sessions and never releasing the minutes of closed sessions. Lack of records from the Peru Landfill to the era of the ghost payroll have created a envirnoment which leaves no room for the TRUTH.
The FBI is a abreviation for TRUTH but FOX is a abreviation for PERU POLITICS and if the FBI can disclose FOX and prosecute it will have done a great service to our city. To those who are involved in bringing the FBI to confront FOX, Thank You.
The FBI can have access to closed session meeting minutes.
4:38 please tell me when the shuttle lands
6:25 that is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. You are either funny.. Or an idiot.
I'm laughing at the comment "Get a life." Having a life and getting a life is part of being responsible with knowing how my tax dollars are spent (bids, employees salaries, hiring process of employees(which I know has been a joke), and be informed on how the
City Officials(elected) conduct business(excessive closed sessions), etc... With this being blogged, being involved in ones city/community is having a life and being a responsible taxpayer.
please explain FOX.
the 6:25 AM post may have been in jest, but it is not far from the truth. Unions, especially public sector unions, do not appreciate. I'm not talking about the rank and file members, I'm talking about the unions leaders. They view volunteers as lost revenue. There was a push in Illinois last year to require home care providers to pay union dues, even if they are caring for a family member. Imagine having to pay a union because you want to take care of you mother at home instead of sending her to an assisted care facility.
You are not involved you cry "call the FBI" and the rest of your garbage. Commenting on a blog is NOT being involved. This is one step above gossip.
GET A LIFE
8:16 PM
My my you are a bit testy, did we step on your toes?
This is not gossip, it is what people believe and express their thoughts to us. You might not like it because of your position or your benefits but it is a legitimate place to tell us what you think. Whenever I see posts like yours, I do believe someone has hit a sore spot on someone.
8:16 PM
How do you know I'm not involved? I am involved and I do have a life!
I can see why you think that Lois, I really can. I am more upset about the "I am calling the FBI" garbage and the name calling and then please see the rambling post about Peru is like Fox.
I think the blog is just a step above gossip. I know thst is not what is intended by you as the creator of this blog. Some of the posts are so far out of reality it is funny.
Anon 6:42
FBI=TRUTH
FOX (FOXY)=Peru Politics
Anon 5:58 The shuttle landed the day the FBI entered Peru. Strong possibility that you truthfully didn't realize it. Could it be that you are involved in Peru Politics on the dark side and wouldn't sleep good tonight. Hopefully if the FBI finds guilt those who performed it will have a well deserved hibernation period sponsored with government financial support which they can earn a advanced degree in shuttle landing.
Anon 9:32 PM Most posts referring to the FBI, name calling and Peru abbreviation being FOX (foxy), are reality.
Politically Peru has existed in the grey for a long time. If you are in doubt check the missing computer or the city ghost payroll. Also employee hiring,failure to follow ordinances, unbid contracts, lack of competitive cost analysis both in construction and equipment purchases such as gloves ladders shovels and much higher cost items. Good luck for when you are finished there are dozens of other things for you to compare.
To 9:32 pm, Your attitude about
"I am calling the FBI" is an indication that you are like many of the Peru elected officials who feel that "outsiders" of any kind, especially outsiders from the FBI delving into the slimy underbelly of Peru corruption is not a good thing for Peru's phony self-described leader of the valley claim. As a Peru resident, I am thrilled that an investigative agency has finally taken the claims of improper behavior of Peru officials and employees seriously. The Peru city council did not want a legitimate investigation of alleged wrongdoing for fear of tarnishing the fantasy of what they believe to be a "Supreme City on a Hill". They attempted to cheat justice with a Kangaroo Court investigation designed to make it all just go away. The Peru council did not cheat justice in order to protect Harl or anybody else involved in alleged wrongdoing. They did it to protect the phony fantasy image of Peru that they are somehow superior to all other communities. They feared that businesses would be deterred away from a city that has been exposed as corrupt. They were protecting themselves because it reveals them as negligent failures in their duties as the protectors of the public trust. Peru officials are totally comfortable with unethical and improper behavior by elected officials and employess so long as it remains unexposed to the majority of the public and is carried out behind the scenes. That's the sickest part of Peru politics. They turn a blind eye to corruption so long as it fits into the Peru way of doing business.
The only way anything in Peru can change for the better is for the truth to be revealed. The truth of how Peru operates must be exposed. The truth shall set us free. The truth will allow for the current mayor to be unseated and most of the current aldermen to be defeated, and that is exactly what we need to happen. The truth will disinfect Peru politics. It has been a long time coming. Don't fear it.
Embrace it!
This is precisely why we need to turn over the operation of this city to a private company. Outsource everything I say! Fire, Police, Ambulance, Public Works, Water, Sewer, Electric.
We do not have people in this city that are willing to run for office and are 1) capable of doing the job and 2) trust worthy enough to do the job.
Part time aldermen can't run this city. We need full time people to do it and these full time people need to be disassociated from all political activities.
Anon 11:01 AM Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the ability to express it. Outsource everything? This would be a much greater task than correcting the present faults of the present system.
We do have people in Peru that are capable of being excellent and trustworthy officeholders. Certain incentives should be offered to give them interest to run.
If your want in a full time person is a city manager presently it appears to be a outstanding idea but the city manager will still have part time aldermen to satisfy along with a Mayor. This is just the way the system works. If your idea of hiring full time people who are disassociated from all political activities who is to manage them, make sure they have a check and balance system and who is going to pay them?
1101 you have a full-time Mayor to run the city. In the City of Peru governance format, the Mayor is the one that runs the city. Part time Aldermen have no business in the day to day operations. Are you aware that fire,water,ambulance are all provided for by private business?
And if you hire all these full-time people to run the city, who will review their services? Elected representatives of the people!
Fire is not provided by private business. Fire department employees are City of Peru employees.
Liberty Fire Company is the fire service provider, a not for profit organization that fights fires for the City. Although, Peru may provide insurance, Liberty has its own set of by-laws and classified as a private business. There are a few fire fighters that do not belong to Liberty, however without Liberty Peru would be a truck without a ladder in fighting fires.
The confusion a outsider such as myself of the Peru Fire Dept. and Liberty must be much easier to understand than made out to be. I come from the era that the corporation who pays you and is the provider of benefits is your employer.
Is this confusion created by legal maneuvers to avoid stipulations of higher echelons of government, such as state and federal.
Clearer definitions of Peru's fire protection are needed. Presently appears that Peru has a business working within a business which is normally very unsuccessful.
9:05, not only does Peru provide insurance, it provides wages for 4 full time engineers and a full time chief. Liberty pays the volunteer fire fighters, which is a much smaller amount.
3:22 Are you sure Liberty pays the volunteers? If so, where do they get the money? I thought the fire department was now completely under the city's umbrella.
Is anyone sure of anything when it pertains to the Peru Fire Department? This is the same group which was taking a full pay for taking part in city children's activities such as parades.
Also weren't there accusations made of someone showing up to sign the fire report book in a suit and tie to draw pay without ever going to the fire. This is just as improper as a ghost payroll. Is this person still a active paid volunteer?
3:50 I believe you are correct. The city pays all payroll for the fire department. Liberty should not exist. The pool fundraising committee has to show all donations received and expenses paid. Why doesn't Liberty? Why does Liberty exist?
If Liberty buys fire equipment with money that is donated to them, does the equipment belong to Liberty or to the City of Peru?
10:31 a donation means that you have given someone that item. It belongs to the City.
Let's make this simple. You give your nephew Huey $5.00 for his birthday. That $5.OO is now the property of Little Huey. It doesn't belong to you anymore. That is called a donation.
9:09 A donation is given to Liberty. Liberty turns around and buys equipment with it. Liberty is not a part of the City of Peru. So who does the equipment belong to? The City or Liberty?
No, that is called a gift!!
9:49 I guess Huey wasn't a good example for you. The equipement belongs to the city.
If the money is donated to Liberty and they buy fire equipment with it and use it for fires but never in written contract donate it to the city that equipment is still Liberty's.
The example of Huey is a agreement involving two parties when speaking of Liberty, the Peru Fire Department and the City of Peru you are speaking of three parties. The City of Peru is not involved until Liberty involves them.
Don't forget about the agreement with Peru Dimmick Fire "District" agreement. Is that in writing?
You people need to remember that you live in the State of Illinois. It is part of our culture that between 10% and 20% of every dime the government spends is used to cover corruption first. We call this the corruption tax. So, if you have a million dollars to fix some streets, up to two hundred thousand is needed to take care of the corruption. Its a fact of life, that is just the way it is in Illinois. Nothing can be done about it. Some people try. They run for office and try to stop it, but then they see the benefit to keeping the system moving along. Resistance is futile.
Liberty's agreement with the city was squashed when they became city employees. Everything in the fire house that is there now or is bought in the future is city property . Liberty is nothing but a men's club . If you think I'm wrong try and find an agreement since they all became city employees. They worked under the same contract since Peru was founded and that ended with them being city employees . Yet the funny thing is , and this was stated before , Liberty votes on someone to do their own payroll and he gives the totals to the payroll department. A lot of us honest people thinks this is wrong and a conflict of interest . Thats like me telling my boss how much to pay me and my coworkers. And we all know Peru doesn't have a good track record with payroll scandal. Where I work the HR or payroll department does the payroll and then pays me , not one of my buddies .
In addition 4:17 I understand that Liberty does the hiring of new fire fighters and that process is not handled in the usual manner when a new employee is hired.
The questionable practices stated as normal business procedure should be investigated and rectified.
Correct , but whos gonna do it ? Another crooked retired judge telling the city what they pay him to say and want to hear ??
WHY DIDNT LIBERTY FIRE COMPANY CONTRIBUTE DONATION MONEY GIVEN TO THEM TO PURCHASE THE FIRE TRUCK RECENTLY AND ONE OF THE COMMAND VEHICLES a while back? Why are people donating money? I agree that Liberty should show all accounting methods and expenditures. Remember the mix up (ha) regarding the OPERATION PROMISE DONATION? In wrong account? Liberty pay the volunteer fireman? Or city? How about the appointed full time fire chief answer this question since so many bloggers have asked? I don't understand why he hasn't. Was he told by Harl not to answer questions via this technology of a town forum? Our taxes pay his salary and benefit package. I'm sure we will have a blogger say to make a phone call. There have been over the years an abundance of questions asked regarding Liberty Fire Company. Just look at the above blogs.
9:36 Answer to your observations. Liberty did pay for all of the equipement for the fire truck. This was big dollars. No mix-up with the donation, it was plain and simple in the fact that the donation went to Liberty Fire, not Operation Promise. You should find out who and when Operation Promise got involved with the donation, that's the mystery.
The appointment is done by the Mayor. That is by ordinance. Liberty is a private company and you can access all information you want.
Liberty has been the volunteer backbone of Peru's fire fighters for over 100 years, countless residents have been involved. They now receive a wage for their efforts, and have for many years. They have many professional training events that help fight fires. I don't know why anybody that is a fireman would not be a member of Liberty? Are they anti-team? Not many brave individuals stand and fight fires, you need teamwork, trust, training to be effective for the people you protect. Back in my day my troops were taught to stand tall with your brothers or stand in line with the firing squad.
The problem isn't the fire department, its from the one or two who believe they are above the teamwork required.
You are not limited to a phone call you can walk into the fire station and ask Chief Jeff King personally or better than that you can go to city hall tonight and ask the Mayor, Public Health and Safety Committee and Chief King at the same time.
9:36 - So what did Chief King say? Did you call? Did you go to the fire station and ask? Did you go to the council meeting and ask? We'd like to know if your inquiry was satisfied with a response.
3:12, fire truck purchase in which the blogger was referring to. Cost $740,000 dollars approx. Taxpayers paying for. Don't try and be manipulative by saying equipment for truck paid by Liberty. In which Liberty should pay for. Discussion is regarding fire truck. How much 3:12 was equipment out of curiosity? You seem as if you would know being as what you stated in your blog. Was equipment for the fire truck included in the fire truck purchase that was approved by the city? From what I understood the city/taxpayers took on the debt/loan of $740,000 approx. wasn't it blogged a while back that Liberty had $685,000 approx. in its account? Question is why didn't a couple hundred thousand go towards the fire truck purchase to defray the full cost from city/taxpayers?
Anon 9:50 AM Good question, which is deserving of a answer.
11:36 you want the truth, you can't handle the truth. Liberty paid for fire equipement for the new truck. These guys man the walls for your safety, if you don't like them then grab a hose and good luck. Either way I don't care.
Anon 12:22 PM Thank you for your quote Jack N. you were great in a few good men but your answer does not apply to the question here.
It was stated that 9:50 AM had good questions which were deserving of a answer, do you have any.
No one has questioned the proficiency or duties of these men, and their attitude. In respect to the fire department if certain individuals are dissatisfied they have the ability to quit and be replaced by others but never the less anyone asking for donations and existing under tax paying funds will always be obligated to those who support them. Since you don't care no answer is expected.
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