The Good ole boys network did it again at Mondays council meeting. Ald. Perez said at 7:25 they were all handed a 25 page government agreement between the city and the school district to demolish Washington school and none of them read it not even the school superintendent. Ald Perez asked to have time to read it and the council said it didn't need to be read and council passed it without reading anything. ANON blog comment.
Also can someone either verify or clear up a post that was made on here and which I clearly don't understand. They posted that a few years ago our Mayor Harl met with a corporation that was interested in coming to Peru and would supply about 500 jobs and the mayor asked if they would be Union jobs and they answered NO and he said not interested. What do you know?
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Sounds like a comment from the playbook of Representative Nacy Pelosi.
What the heck was the big hurry? On the face is sounds logical - but why push it through so fast? I don't want to sound like somebody with tin foil in my hat, but it sounds like there is something hidden in the details.
Many cities require proposed legislation to be on public display for 48 hours or more before a vote can be taken. To those running for office - please take this up as a new policy for Peru.
Who made the motion to approve and who was the second ? Instead of a contemplative body, we have the Mad Hatter's Tea Party being held in council chambers.
It was smart move to proceed... Best deal for tax payers...the city has enough run down buildings and this would have become one too.
Abatement will cost 180k by itself and now we have room for a pool and ample parking...
12:34 AM, so true! You can read it after you approve it! This council is a joke.
Oh Boy, here we go again. Why is it that every single item that comes before this council is controversy? What was the vote? Was the superintendent present at the meeting? Why wasn't the agreement e-mailed to all the aldermen, or was it not ready until 7:25pm? Would someone who was present last night please fill us in on the details? Thank you
Lois, I saw a Facebook post regarding this by a person who was told to stay quiet by THE SUPERINTENDANT OF SCHOOLS. about this A WOMAN WANTED TO BUY IT. ???? CONFUSED.
Here in Peru they don't care about the public and their views. Did the Peru School District put this piece of property on the market? Why is it we continually destroy schools? When I told a family member who attended both Northview and Washington, she said why don't they tear down Northview?
Northview is just another box school. Washington is a piece of history which in Peru mostly resides in the landfill. No one in elected office knows how to fix. We need to only look to Ottawa or La Salle to see what can be done. It is so wasteful but our history of destruction continues on.
What are we supposed to do, isn't that the schools property supported by our taxpayers money? I don't think we should put anymore property tax into something that is a money pit, Northview was the right move because it was cheaper to maintain by a long shot, it would have been nice if someone would consider buying it, but most good business people know the price to make the building cost effective is way off the charts and would be a poor investment. I also went to school there and will miss it, but understand the thinking behind it.
I don't see the urgency in passing this piece of legislation. It could have waited a week to let everyone read it.
I have not read it - but it sounds like it is the right thing to do. But... why so fast? From what I understand, the school board hasn't even voted to demolish the building yet.
To 7:35 AM, I was there and the situation was that Perez simply stated that the agreement was just handed to the aldermen immediately before the meeting and a little time to read it might allow for proper "due diligence" on the part of the council. The Superintendent of Schools and the School Board President both stated that there was no need to rush the council vote and it could wait until the next city council meeting in two weeks. In fact, the Superintendent stated the School Board has not yet officially approved the agreement either. Rodney explained he believes the agreement as explained by Superintendent Cross sounds beneficial for all but he would just like a chance to read it before voting on it. Immediately after asking for common sense the other aldermen pounced like jackals on rotting carcass. Ooooh, how terrible for a Peru alderman to suggest common sense due diligence before a vote. How dare he! Just another childish and petty display by the mayor and aldermen.
To 7:43 AM, Could you possibly be any more clueless? You wouldn't recognize "common sense" if it smacked you across the face, but I will be glad to give it a try.
Could some member of our city council please inform the general public when open discussions will be held at the "committees as a whole" and what topics could possibly be discussed? When a citizen goes to one of these meetings many times they are left sitting in an empty room with the council goes into "closed session". However, apparently last night's committee held some discussions yet citizens were left sitting in the hallway.
I am almost certain that the "500 job employer" was a figment of someone's imagination.
In today's world - 500 employees is huge. Based on average Illinois Valley wages - 500 employees with benefits would cost $30 million or more. Somebody willing to open up a facility like this is not going to have quiet meeting with Boss Harl and leave it at that. First, the City or the State have nothing to say about a plant being unionized. The employees vote on it IF the union is able to start an organization. It is not automatic. I do not think either of the big plants north of Peru are unionized and I don't believe any union stands a chance of organizing them.
The document was 5 pages and the real-estate agreement was 4 pages. Alderman Perez may have a group of aides that assist him with understanding those big documents.
I had overheard a conversation a few months ago about converting Washington school to some type of public housing. I believe the person was reputable and had knowledge of the intent. If this new proposal tears down the building, i would rather have that than public housing.
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Probably rumor as this bldg would never meet the requirements for PUBLIC Housing. It has suitable uses but none that our city is interested in because they are not interested in Community. If they knew they would not need to hide in closed sessions week after week. Are they afraid we might find out what they know and really don't know. Kind of would blow their cover, it would seem.
What would happen if you have a council member who can't read the agreements? Would they still pass the agreement without all understanding the terms? Very inconsiderate of those members who want to pass the agreement without everybody understanding.
Good for you mayor! Union Not scabs!
7:50 the woman said that on some Facebook posts yesterday. You can see them at the IV news and gossip Facebook page. Superintendent Mark Cross answered every one of her points and was very open with his answers about this. she supposedly wanted to turn Washington into a daycare center which is ridiculoous.
11:14, please restate your question. Are you saying what would happen if we elected an illiterate person to the council? Or, are you saying what would happen if they did not have time to read the legislation? Or are you are saying what happens if they don't understand the legislation?
In all cases the people get what they vote for. However - at this level of government we really need to push to have all legislation available for public review for days - not hours or minutes - before it is voted on.
11:26 I understand Rodney's point about wanting to read it before the meeting, but the public does not need to be able to read everything first. This is why we elect the council. If we don't like their votes, we should vote them out. The irony is that the city council packets are posted on the website before the meeting. I review what they have there. Why don't you?
11:26 Hopefully you elect leaders that are capable of understanding the legislation put before them and you elect them with the trust that they are doing what is in the best interest of the city. Why bother electing anybody not capable of making the best decision.
Lois regarding your 8:31 comment I respect your opinion, but as a parent and taxpayer I am VERY pleased with how the superintendant and school board have handled our schools. They are tearing down a school that the city can use the land near the park. What else would they do with it? Turn it into a business? What busines?Obviously you don;t live in the neighborhood. They developed a plan and because of that plan they have really done more than we could have imagined possible.
When my older kids were young we had old overcrowded buildings in Peru. A few years later and we have wonderful buildings in the city. When is the last time you stepped into the schools? Northview is okay but it is being upgraded completely this summer as I understand it in addition to the new part.
I know you don't like to see old buildings torn down and neither do I but I don't want my tax dollars going toward this either. From what I am seeing I don't think anyone was going to work out something better than what the schools and city have done.
That's just my opinion but I think we need to look forward., I wish everyone had as much vision looking forward as our schools have had.
Two comments on the topic post
1. The document was not 25 pages and had a short summary.
2. If you had a company with 500 jobs locating to Peru I would bet the Mayor would welcome them with a parade.
Some believe what they want and others believe what is real.
11:48, my understanding is that this was not in the packet. I can't say that I read the packet before each meeting. What I am saying is that every piece of legislation should be available for the public to view well before the meeting. It is not unheard of at this level of government. Princeton has an ordinance that requires this. Why not Peru?
11:21 - I will take a free thinking "Scab" over any Union Hack 6 Days a week and twice on Sunday.
So, why was the City Administrator discussion squelched?
11:48 kinda hard to review something that's thrown at you 5 minutes before the meeting.
Anon 11:48 so you're saying as long as we see the agenda that's good enough? Why have an OMA and why have public meetings? I wish we lived in your world where politicians can be trusted. This is the USA where democracy should be alive and well and where politicians should not care if the public wants to be involved and be a watchful eye on government. Besides, my choice in candidate was not elected and Perez is not my alderman. Since Perez is the only one I trust at city hall I depend on him to do the right thing for us. To me, it's not about just having them all take five minutes to read it its about verifying what's in it.
11:48 AM, I review the packets and I am well aware that important records and agreements (like the agreement between the city and school district) are never included in the packets for the public to view. That is part of the problem with an administration that excludes the public from participating in government. Closed Sessions are the only place these agreements are discussed until the night they are approved by the council. Just exactly what occurred last night. This is not a coincidence. This is an established "Method of Operation" by a mayor and aldermen who are inept and incapable of dealing with open dialogue and very much afraid of having to deal with dissent. Very poor representatives.
Anon 9:32 AM I am almost certain, I think, don't hold anymore water than a bucket with a hole in it. Yes there was a corporation that meet with Mayor Scott Harl in his first term of office that would employ 500 people.
This is no figment of anyone's imagination. Today in the competitive world of attracting a corporation to locate in a city they are not going to stand around long if the city mayor voices a displeasure with their management structure immediately.
To ask a corporation if they are the dirty word (union) and be told we don't want you if you are not is telling their executives get lost.
You mention that the city or state have nothing to do whether a plant becomes union or non union and how organization is created. In other words you don't realize political influence and will not be offended with Governor Rauners issuing yesterday of state workers not having to pay union dues who opt out of being a union member. Cash is King and dues and membership are how unions survive.
There was a time which a younger person took for granted that they would join the union because it was a closed shop state, than as years went by people started to question why they had to join a organized group and pay dues in a democracy when they didn't want to. Yesterday this group was represented by the states governor who was elected by a majority of the states population and the majority wins - that's how it works.
1:48 - the only stronghold for unions anymore is in government. They have all but died out in manufacturing and are fading fast in the trades.
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I had some plumbing work done last year. I was given two quotes, one was for one the record and one was for off the record.
12:57 That is another topic that could have been and should have been discussed in front of citizens but the reasons for tabling it were not. That is another topic that is kept behind closed doors. If anyone thinks we have a transparent mayor and council they are living in an imaginary place.
My sister in law is a teacher at Parkside. They were told today the board told the city council during the meeting not to rush into passing that agreement. The superintendent was expecting the council to hold the vote until their next meeting because he too was just handed the agreement in the middle of that meeting. He thought it was irresponsible for the council to pass that without being sure what was exactly in the agreement that was drafted by their city attorney. I'm very disappointed in Dave Pothoff because I know for a fact he would never sign off on any agreement pertaining to the YMCA without reading it first.
What irresponsibility. Even if they just took it home and let it collect dust until their next meeting would've at least made me wonder if they did read it. But nope! They were blatant not to care. Ignorant plain ignorant!
haven't seen the Rat around lately. When it gets warmer people need to start counter protesting it. Whenever the Rat shows up - get a big inflatable Cat with a sign on it that says Communists Go Home!
Right-to-Work in Illinois 2015!
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I appreciate your eagerness to believe the comment that the information was thrown together at the last minute. The process was discussed with the school and city for several months, the agreement I understand was a few pages, the details were discussed at that meeting and prior meetings, the school board wanted to complete the deal in order to sell the bonds at the best rate. At the meeting many details and the agreement were discussed point by point. The school made it clear that to give the property in the present condition to anyone was not in the best interest to anyone.
Nothing hidden Nothing secret.
Good luck depending on the facts from the one you trust.
I'm just happy that the asbestos is going to be taken care of legally - no fly by night deals with scrappers to take the pipes out of the building, etc.
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The agreement the city signed was the agreement that the city wrote not the school. The agreement came from the City of Peru! The City of Peru attorney wrote the agreement, not the school. The City attorney reviewed the agreement not the school. Those are the facts. I would find it surprising that your sister in law teacher would be discussing this type of decision with the Superintendent of the school?
Even if the agreement was a whooping 5 pages, I would bet my last chip that those alderman involved had a very good understanding of the city written agreement. Do you really believe that the school handed over a agreement that the city council voted on without a review? Between Scwieckert and Pothoff you probably got 60 years of experience dealing with agreements. Don't worry about those boys and the city getting shortchanged. I would worry about the other side.
A3:43 Than you will be as illegal as the rat. Do you remember 2 wrongs do not make 1 right?
4:50 - what happened to that 60 years of experience when the "agreement" was entered into to demolish the power plant?
4:50 I agree the superintednet would not say this to the teacher at school but the school district and their legal counsel wrote the initial agreement and sent it to the city. The city attorney reviewed it and had modifications. That is what was presented at the meeting and Schweickert talked about this and it is on an audio that was posted online at the radio network facebook page. He admitted it was last minute. The school district will then review and approve the final agreement and they are not going to get short changed. They know exactly what they are doing especially the superintendent. Despite feeligs about the building for a few people there is really nothing controversial aboiut this. Here is the audio its like 20 minutes.
https://soundcloud.com/hard-rock-radio-networkil/mark-cross
Why not sell the building ? Look what mayor grove did with one of Lasalle's old schools with his own money . LaSalle is the new leader of the valley ! No need to tear it down ! This is disgraceful !
Is Attorney Scwieckert the same city attorney who wrote a ordinance for the city pertaining to all amusements of Peru paying a 7%tax only later to be informed that the ordinance he wrote was illegal in the State of Illinois?
What did he charge the city for writing this ordinance? Bluntly I expect much more of a alderman than to vote on a contract without reading it.I also believe that a subject was to be presented at one meeting and not voted upon until the next. Peru council had a Wednesday meeting one week to make presentations and discussions and a meeting the following Monday for voting purposes.
At the end of Bakers last term he made a mistake of wanting to vote for a subject that was only discussed for the previous 15 minutes and never presented at a previous meeting.
A developer wanted a TIF passed and Alderman Ferrari asked Baker when he called for a vote "I don't understand whats the hurry Mayor? we never voted like this before. The vote was not taken that night but the TIF is still in court. This was in the time of formal and informal meetings.
I in the next 2 elections will not vote for either of the present aldermen of my ward because of their poor business practices such as presented last night. Personally I prefer those that take the time to read the fine print before they vote and sign than those who never do especially on million dollar deals that are done forever. This pee poor representation.
Never trust a Lawyer.
anon 7:13 PM Also never trust a person/group that conducts a great majority of its activities behind closed doors that were elected to openly represent the populace in making city management decisions.
Sometimes lawyers will tend to make you believe their your best friend. NOT! They want as many billable hours for your case on their books. With knowing the outcome of the case. String it along and Ching Ching $$$$$$$. And maybe just maybe a new Mercedes, Lexus, or a BMW.
was the increase in sales tax put on the ballot for Parkside School?
7:00pm you clearly do not understand this at all. Selling it would not touch the deal the city has in place with the school district. It's really not that complicated. I don't want a Kaskaskia or a Westclox disaster. Kudos to the people involved for getting this done.
"Scabs" and the rat are disrespectful and a form of intimidation. The unions have a bad name because of those tactics. The unions did a great deal of good for the working people, but why do they have to act so mean and disrespectful towards people who aren't in a union? I'm not a member of a union, but I don't go around trashing the union members. There is room in this world for all kinds of people.
Governor Rauner is correct in actions taken Monday. The United States is a land of democracy and should be treated as such. The decision of whether a person wants unionization or independence should be left up to each individual for themselves to decide.
9:13, yes - years ago. Then we got an $11 million grant from the state because the school was able to use a source other than property tax to build the school. Instead of using that money to help retire the Parkside debt, they decided to expand Northview School. Then - they decided that Washington School should be demolished, so they are doing a bond issue to get the money - paid for using property taxes. So - the tax and spend merry go round goes on and on and on. I wonder what the next big spend is going to be.
Yes 9:13. There was a referendum by the school. It passed easily. They did an agreement with the city to raise the sales tax so it would not increase our property taxes. This was all part of it as I remember.
9:13, yes it was, after voting against every referendum I relented and voted for the sales tax because it wasn't a big hit on my property tax.
and... the sales tax increase is supposed to go away when the bonds are paid off. What they don't tell you is they never intend to totally pay it off - they just keep adding to it.
7:11 The answer to your question is no, Schwieckert did not write the ordinance it was another firm that specializes in that. The ordinance was presented and not voted on and rejected by the city council.
A TIF vote takes many steps including a write off from each taxing body and public hearing. Never would a TIF be up for a vote in a night meeting. Your reaching for excuses about why your alderman voted no.
1:08 how is it taxing and spending? this has all been done without a property tax increase. Thats the whole point of this plan with the city if you read it. Had they paid the debt with the grant then Washington would still be there. The school district's goal is to reduce spending and they explained this. No tax increase and good schools and less costs long term. to be fair its hard to top whats been accomplished.
7:00PM
yIKES...look at that building and imagine what it will be in 5 years...old Mathieson School. Leaders of the Valley?
8:56 this is false for the school. The district cannot use the funds for anything but the bonds. When they are paid off they are paid off. Its 14 more years according to the presentation that was made. The city can decide at that time what to do with the sales tax but the school distrct does not keep any more of the money.
Get out of illinois as soon as possible. Nothing good about it. Period. Hard working people are throwing their money weekly down the drain. Move south. Talk to people who have and all of them will tell you they should have done it 20 years ago. Life's not about keeping up with the Jones' s. Affordable home prices, Lower property taxes, lower sales tax...
9:26 - Property taxes are not the only tax involved. The sales tax is also a tax. The grant also results from tax. They have become addicted to the sales tax and it will never sunset.
I am happy they are tearing down the building. I am not happy with the amount of money they spend.
I want them to reduce costs.
I want school district consolidation - specifically in the administrative area.
I do not believe Peru's commercial area is eligible for any more TIF's and I would object to another one being created. Those days are gone.
1:08 The tax is sales tax.
@9:11 I listened to the audio from the link posted above from the meeting. It sounds clear no one read that agreement. Are you saying you voted yes, I mean would have voted yes on that agreement without reading it first. If the city attorney had just gave you, I mean them the agreement to vote on as the meeting was starting you really think its a responsible thing to just take the word from an attorney, or past discussions hoping what you heard was all in that agreement they voted on and no additional language was added that could change everything? It was very irresponsible to ASS U Me an agreement reads exactly how it would be summarized by an attorney. Please refer to Dixon when it comes to Trust but Verify EVERYTHING!
Anon 9:11 AM Who is it that made a choice of the other firm that specializes in writing this type pf legal documentation that wrote this ordinance? How could this proposed ordinance be presented, NOT voted on but yet REJECTED by the city council?
Nowhere can this vote be found in the minutes of a city council meeting. Could you please tell me in which meeting this vote took place?
If the reason the ordinance was rejected was because it in itself was illegal will the city have to pay for it and how much?
The sales tax is controlled by the city not the school district. When the bonds are paid off the city will drop the 1/2% or continue it.
The funds generated by the tax can only be used for the building. Schools also have very strict guidelines on where funds are utilized.
So as not to confuse matters - this is pertaining to the constant question about why the council did not vote on the amusement tax. Not the school issue.
12:56 - The answer is very simple... In order to proceed to a vote, there must be a motion and another member must second it. If these two things do not happen - it "dies." Often - if it is known that this will not happen the matter is just dropped.
The outrage should not be that the council did not vote. The outrage should be that somebody (Boss Harl?) made a unilateral decision to expend funds to have the thing written without knowing if there was support. Or, maybe he had support up until the time that the people figured out what was going on.
Anyway - the system worked as it is supposed to. The executive wanted to do something that required council approval and a piece of legislation. Two people on the council are required to move it to a vote. Otherwise - the executive is SOL and the issue dies.
Please, please, please stop harping on "why it didn't come to a vote." It didn't come to a vote because they could not convince two members to stand up and make it come to a vote!!!!!
@9:11
I not only do not know why you believe I am reaching for excuses because my alderman voted no I do not understand what you specifically mean that he voted no on and who is the alderman that you think is my alderman? Since the topic being discussed was protocol of proper city council procedure I see no necessity of muddling the situation with all the necessary steps it takes to process a TIF. unlike you I find it much more efficient to state in a few sentences what you want to write a book about so that all are distracted from original topic. Basically I utilized a example to emphasize a traditional Peru City Council practice of presentation at one meeting and not voted upon until at least the next.
9:11 Yes a presentation of a TIF was made at a Peru City Council meeting and the Mayor called for a council vote immediately after. I know this as fact because I was present at this meeting, by the way 9:11 never say never because never is a long, long time.
The Mayor promised a 5 year sunset on the road improvement 1/2% sales tax. How much longer until this agreement reaches 5 years?
3:14 Read the state guidelines for establishing a TIF. The word is never can a TIF be established without following the guidelines!
You may have a great respect for the power of the former mayor, but even the Don can't ask for a vote without following the TIF law.
3:45 - I believe the Harl Tax sunset was shorter than five years. Anyway - as I recall, it was recently approved again - and I think it is permanent now unless it is specifically repealed.
In all fairness to the Boss - he pretty much said that was the plan. There would be a "sunset" but it would almost certainly become permanent when it was reached. After all the hubbub calmed down a few years later - Bang! permanent tax increase. He said he would do it and he did.
Anon 1:52 PM Come on answer all the questions Where did this take place and when? Was it discussed at another meeting in closed session? How did these council all of a sudden become so knowledgeable without a group meeting?
Something smells fishy here.
omg LaSalle leader. You have got to be kidding. Ride around take your blinders off. Move to LaSalle.
This is the TIF which a developer offered to pay the $45K for it for the city and is still in court.
Getting back to the corporation that was to hire 500 plans were made for a road to be developed because the present road at the time could not handle all the traffic. This loss was within Harls first 100 days as Mayor and showed the amount of repayment he has had to make to Local 150. In today's business world of quick exchange of area information Harl on account of his union affiliations will be a negative factor in attracting corporations to Peru.
Ekas was given $1 million to expand and increase by 25 jobs from Peru, so a plant of 500 has to be worth $20 million plus being new how much in additional property tax and payment to the city for utilities plus sales tax increase from all these people.
Can he not be impeached? Does he do anything legally? I also think every 4 years there should be a vote for city attorney we need new blood in there -sometimes people get too settled . This city is in dire need of reform get some outside consultants in here without talking to the present adm let some recommendations be made. I fear this city will be a ghost town if we continue the path we are on
4:36 - I'm sure the mayor called his guys one at a time and asked them if they would vote for it or even second the motion. That is perfectly legal. Once he figured out it would not pass - he pulled it. No conspiracy, that is how government works.
People - before you comment on how the government functions, learn about it firs. Read the Illinois Municipal Code and many of your questions will be answered. Silly comments like voting for the corporate attorney need to stop. Please educate yourself. The Internet is a vast treasure-trove of information. Look and learn!
Anon 4:28 PM You seem to be unable to grasp that the 1st stage of the guideline in this instance is the city council and this is the only stage which we have as a issue and once again emphasis is that a vote is not be be taken in the same night as the presentation. True there are specific guidelines to follow but you have to start at the beginning until you reach the end.
5:52 a ghost town? Seriously. Criticize all you want but we are quite the opposite of a ghost town.
7:09 Transparency. What government? Communistic, Socialistic, Democracy. Private phone calls,unlimited closed sessions and committee meetings as a whole are not indicative of a government in the U.S.A.
The agreement was 5 pages long. I would guess all of the city council members can read 5 pages during the meeting. Let's be honest. The problem isn't reading it. The problem is understanding bonds, refinancing, taxes. The vote means 6 people understand those things and 1 doesn't.
Hello Illinois, more lies, cheaters, Jackie Robinson Baseball stripped of its championship title. Like politicians. Yep, that's right folks stack the teams.
8:59 - no. Its called a Republic. The OMA does not prohibit the Mayor from talking to individual Aldermen one on one to determine if they support him on any given issue or piece of legislation. They can also "horse trade" one on one... meaning they could negotiate support on one issue to be rewarded by support on another issue.
This is perfectly legal and has been how things are done since the beginning of our Republic.
The OMA prevents the Mayor from doing the same thing in a setting that would be considered a meeting - when there are enough people to take a vote.
Please get it through your thick skull that the OMA does not prevent the Mayor or even two Aldermen from talking about the business of the city one on one in an informal setting. They can do this all the live long day and they can make all the deals they want and it is all perfectly legal.
How many times must this be explained???????? It is obvious that the Mayor lost support for the Amusement Tax so he just pulled it!!!!!!!!! This happens ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5:52 PM, What you are asking for can be achieved by changing to "Council-Manager" form of government via Referendum. Hiring a City Administrator as Harl is trying to arrange will only create another "political appointee" who will be a puppet subject to corrupt influence of Harl and the rubber-stamp aldermen.
Anon. 9:00 Then again, it could be the other way around......
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The agreement wasn't even that complicated it was about demo of the school.
Anon. 10:12 It's alright. The REV. Jesse Jackson and Rahm Emanuel, are backing the team, and telling them that cheating is alright. What is this country coming to ?
9:15 AM - don't forget the Rev. Al "not so" Sharpton.
9:00 pm 2/11, reading a document 5 pages long when given to you at 7:29 pm means you'd be reading that during the meeting. During the meeting, one must focus on what is happening during the meeting, not be reading something that should have been given to them long before a minute before the meeting started.
Both REV 'S can kiss my behind. I bet they perform wedding ceremony ' s too. Don't kid yourself stacking of teams happens in every league across America due to the parents trying to fulfill their athletic careers with championships through their kids. Example: 2 parents team up to coach a team, coaching same team because of work schedules and one coach will always be at practices and games, their two kids have been So called cream of the crop since tee-ball or other sports. Bingo, what team wins tournaments? Which kids are put on all-stars? You guessed it. I've seen this personally though out Illinois Valley and other communities. Nice examples for our children. This type of tactics was done with a couple children of mine. Sad.
Anon 1:34 AM There is no comment made at 8:59. But since you seem to be of such political knowledge I must ask about "horse trading". Is this performed out in the open at the front of the stable in daylight with all invited or at the back of the barn with all doors closed after 6:30 pm in the dark of the night? A common question of such meetings is are the horses head to head, backside to backside or some other position?
Many practices which you claim to be legal are not considered ethical and/or moral by the majority of citizenship and common knowledge of this present administration is that it has created its own view of what the people think about it
It sure appears 1:34 is part of the city of Peru boys club. Seems to know many specifics of how he plays his games and approves of them. If all 1:34 is saying are facts it doesn't make it right and should do what's right by being transparent and upfront with us.
Maybe 1:34 could request to the members of the club if they would all be so kind and transparent enough that once they make their backroom deals on things if they would please release it to the public until the next weeks meeting so we can at least know what they are doing before they vote. Because quite frankly I don't trust the majority at all. Thank you in advance.
12:16 - then according to your standards, Abraham Lincoln was the most unethical President we ever had.
Our country was founded on compromise. The founding fathers did not meet in open session and give everyone a vote. This is how politics works. We are not talking about OMA. We are talking about people having a conversation and working through things. That's how business at every level gets done, from Congress to the legislature to the city council.
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Your right. How do you expect elected to be able to read the material and discuss at the same time? Most grade school kids are expected to read and discuss items and you should be able to perform that most difficult task in the high school years.
Is it possible that your expectations of those that you support are very low?
At the very least we should hope that those we support can read and make a decision.
@903 how do you know that's what it was about did you read it? Anyone on here actually see this agreement? Some say it was 5 pages and the audio of the meeting I think said 15 pages. We should expect those who run this city to at least demonstrate their due diligence. I fully agree with the above comment that its not just about reading a document and on the spot discussing it then voting on it all at the same time. It's about verifying any and all costs, time tables, and other things within instead of going off of what you read. That is wrong and irresponsible. Will you walk into a dealership and point to a 50,000.00 vehicle and tell the salesman to pull out the blank contract so you can sign now because you don't have time but you trust him enough to research the best interest and any add on extras he feels you need is up to him? Would you be that irresponsible to not read the final agreement and just go with what you're told? That's foolish! Take the time read the agreement and check with your own financial institution to verify rates. That to me is common sense.
1:55 You as many others have made a statement without any substance to back it up. If cab find fault with Abraham Lincoln what do you find with Teflon Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, or Hillary Clinton?
I find Clinton to be a fake cheating husband. A zebra doesn't change its strips. Nice family guy ay. He has people fooled like most politicians.
10:22, or Nixon, Reagan and George W.!!!
10:22 - you must not be much of a history buff. Lets see - what are some of the questionable things Lincoln did as President.
1. He essentially suspended the First Amendment.
2. He forced the deportation of a Democratic rival.
3. He suspended Habeas Corpus.
4. He placed Native Americans in concentration camps.
5. He supported the creation of Liberia - a place to send all slaves after the war.
Most of the good leaders throughout history have been philanderers. And many of them - some say Lincoln - didn't necessarily like women at all.
Taking a look at the change of marriage laws today you don't have to be a leader to dislike men or women. In fact some men like other men too much and some women like other women too much. Adam was meant to be with Eve not Steve!
This blog is the bottom of the barrel. Some of the comments are so bad that if people were considering moving here and looked at the comments they would think this is a town of lunatics. I am calling the FBI, fun days, splash pads,
Why didnt all of you pick up a ballot to run for office? Becuase you are all uneducated gas bags.
Anon 4:28 How long have you lived here before you finally realized that this is a town of lunatics who are all uneducated gas bags?
Many of us were going to pick up a ballot to run for office but changed our minds when the bottom of our feet got sore.
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