This blog is maintained for the sole purpose of allowing the people of Peru and those interested in the cities of the Illinois Valley to express their views.
“It doesn’t take a majority to win, just a tireless minority that will keep starting brush fires in the mind and hearts of their fellow men.” Samuel Adams
How telling is it that WLPO - News Tribune and any other published paper or radio station only has stats on the LEGAL GAMING when in fact more money was illegally spent on bets for Super Bowl, Bears games, etc. What kind of pay back does the average tax payer get from illegal gaming?
We would hope that this is discretionary money that one can afford to wager. Sadly, it too often is not. If the cities benefit from this revenue, why do they allow forms of illegal gambling to exist for the benefit of a few ? Would the few be in positions of authority ?
You will see many of the local bars start to close down. Sports tickets have been major profit center. Now, having a State machine makes it almost impossible to sell the illegal tickets. The problem with the state controlled machines is that almost every dime of profit is sent back to Springfield and then sucked up by Chicago. At least with the illegal gambling, most of the money ended up being spent in the local economy.
How in the world is the NT or WLPO supposed to report on illegal gambling? There is no data for this, and they are just reporting on what they know with the legal gambling. I thought this was good to know. I don't care about the guys playing cards on a Friday night but it is truly sad seeing these poor people buying scratch off tickets at the convenience stores.
Do you also feel sorry for the bus loads of seniors that make the trek to Joliet or Iowa or Peoria for gaming on the boats. 12:53 PM do you believe that there are taxes pd on the unreported illegal gaming?? 1:38 PM No one needs to name names - it is a well known fact who has the illegal gaming - you can ask any citizen of the Il Valley. And, 2:09 PM it is really sad to watch those poooor people who are scratching off tickets while paying for food, booze and cigarettes with their LINK card. Really really sad. Some wks I wish I had that LINK card for my family.
4:08 - Yes, taxes are paid on illegal gambling. Sales Tax as the money is spent locally. Just making an observation that the "tickets" keep many of the local bars open. Without that income, illegal or not, many will shut down.
To 5:47 PM...pray tell how you would pay taxes on an unreported income???? Understand that it is ILLEGAL and if reported they would go to jail. Similar to prostitution - the prostitutes are guilty but so are the johns!!!!!:]
The illegal gambling was better, for the area. I believe it is true that more of that money was spent locally. I do think, that legalizing the machines, in the long run, will be a good thing for the taverns. Pretty impressive numbers on the radio out of the 9th Street Pub. I know they're not use to paying much in taxes, but you've got to roll with the changes.
What is to prove that businesses with legal gambling machines are still not selling ILLEGAL tickets? Legal machines may just be a draw for more illegal gambling (no tax revenue).
7:48 PM - OK. I'll try to explain it one more time. When somebody buys a "ticket" they give "the guy" cash, i.e. a number of U.S. Dollar Bills. Part of that money is used to pay the "winner." The remaining cash, or U.S. Dollar Bills, goes into the "guy's" pocket. This is called the margin or "profit." OK, follow me now because it gets compicated here. Naturally, this "profit" is not declared as "income," becasue, after all, "nothing is happening here." But, the "profit" is taken to the grocery store, the shoe store, the shirt store, the pants store, etc. The "profit" is spent on "legal goods." These "legal goods" are exchanged for the "profit." Every "legal" commercial exchange in which money is traded for goods is - gasp, taxed. You see, we pay what is called a "sales tax" on almost everything we buy. The legal exchange of the "illegal" profit also generates another smaller piece of "legal" profit even after the "sales tax" is paid. This "legal profit" is then declared as "income" for the store. The store also uses it to "pay" the sales clerk that also declares it as "income." Both the store and the clerk pay "income tax." And that is how tax is paid on the profits from "illegal" gampling. Cue the musical score, "The Circle of Life."
becasue the places with the state controlled gambling machines have peple with badges and guns showing up to service the machines all the time. The people with badges and guns are not local and tend to inforce the law, not look the other way. There is no telling when they "check the machines."
There's a lot more businesses cheating the area out of tax dollars by hiring illegals than selling tickets. You have a lot of lawn services that hire illegals and nobody cares about that. Look at the company by the trailer court on north 351 in lasalle. There's the company on the west end of Peru, and "his majesty's" lawn service with a dalzell address. These companies cost 100' s of times more lost tax dollars than any illegal gambling facility. They also don't pay into unemployment, federal taxes, or Medicare. They do however get public aid and leach off our system. About 10 years ago a truck from the company on the west end of peru was stopped by the police and the 3 illegals all had the same drivers license and the cop let them go. This is everyone's fault because the companies we own and work at hire these tax cheats and support them . The illegal gambling money does I believe stay in the area. The illegals that make cash send their money back to Mexico!
In the State of Illinois the liquior industry is one of the most highly scrutinized businesses in the state. All boards and commissions are in place to regulate this industry and to enforce jurisdiction of legal and illegal gaming. When you elect a Mayor you are also electing by ordinance a City Liquior Commissioner who is the first step of law enforcement in the above mentioned activities.
They also don't pay for workers compensation. The business owners that are running their business in a legal and honest manner are the ones getting screwed.
It becomes dangerous to a society when so many are attempting to alibi why the laws should be broken rather than move forward to have them change if they believe they are inefficient. Laws are made for the protection of the majority of society not for the few who want to live by their own incompatibilities.
Anon 8:11 With all that you know about these illegal activities you have become part of the problem since you have not reported it to the proper authorities. And for anyone who wants to excuse themseves with the "bandaid" they don't do anything. Exert your abilities and go higher in the chain of command until you get the results you are seeking. There is a way so put up or shut up!
Is this blog originate in Peru, ILLINOIS? I would expect some of the comments to have come of the hills of West Virginy? Could you recommend where a person could buy some good moonshine down there I could make it the trip in less than a half a day. Brothers, it sounds like your the place I've been looking for. Wide Open!
How can any rational person justify legalizing gambling while ignoring illegal gambling? Until there is a crack-down on illegal gambling the State will never know how profitable legal gambling could possibly be.
Come on now, most people if they were 100% honest, if they had the opportunity to make extra money and not pay taxes on it, they would do it. How about two registers in a establishment. Chances are only one is actually used for tax purposes. How about when a bartender takes your money and puts in drawer. No buttons pushed for the sale. Has anybody noticed that when you get food delivered most of the time they don't give you a receipt, you have ask for one. A well known pizza place in Peru doesn't give you a receipt, you have to ask!! These delivery people look at you like you're nutty for wanting a receipt.
In response to 12:09 I would like to go along with him...if it is a law then why is it not being enforced in LaSalle Cnty? Isn't it the police depts - local and state - responsibility to enforce the law? Why would anyone cry wolf if they knew it would not be enforced - they would not be welcome in this community. After all we are all non gamblers so it must be someone else's problem.
The rational person would say I've had a great run but now its time to collect my coins and make a legal adjustment or hang it up and go and enjoy my shellings. Instead they are carrying on as if there has not been any changes and taking a bigger chance of getting caught every day if they knowingly or unknowingly haven't already been caught. The state presently may have all the evidence it wants or needs to prosecute. Clue One: Why has it taken forever to install the machines at each location? Clue two: Why would a establishment that has had the grey machines not put in to get state machines or if the location does not qualify to get legal video machines does it still have grey machines such as businesses that do not have liquior licenses and therefore not visted by the Illinois Liquior Commission? Clue three: Traditionally is a surprise investigation done one place at a time every so many days or all places in one short time frame? Of course nothing is going to happen in Peru or LaSalle County because there are people who live here that believe illegal gaming is beneficial to society. Will they make the rules or will the Illinois Gaming Board make the rules for LaSalle County as well as the rest of Illionis? At that time will the Illinois Gaming Board inclue local politicians who cannot help but know that these illegal acts are being conducted and have never done anything about it? They are the biggest law breakers of all. They know because they have been seen in the presense of illegalities and they read this blog.
Anyone who believes that legalized gambling can be a success where illegal gambling is allowed to be conducted is nuts. As soon as if not sooner than legal gambling is completely set up illegal gambling is going to be shut down. If you don't believe this take a look at who is getting 25% and 5%. The State of Illinois and the local city. now is it easier to understand.
@11:40 these companies have been reported. The government chooses to do nothing. "His majesty's " lawn care with the dalzell address and a shop in wolfer industrial park in spring valley has been audited and charged with tax fraud and just paid the fine and kept doing the illegal activities. The others have been reported and the government chooses to do nothing. Its sad when they advertise for subcontractors for snow in the local paper and pay cash and the department of revenue does nothing.
Yes Anon 3:24 Yes it is easier to understand when the consideration of 25% of the gambling is going to the state. But the city government has been so inefficient that it is under the belief that illegal gambling is limited to the grey machines. When the city recieves a automatic 5% of the gross of video gaming and the city officials allow illegal gambling to be carried on in their city therefore not collecting all that they should be they are robbing the citizenship who have placed them in office and do not deserve to be reelected. In Peru, as in many other localities, the only way to set a problem straight is not to reelect a incumbent because our present office holders have refused to follow the letter of the law.
Why has the local paper and radio station become so interested in legal gaming when it has knowingly allowed illegal gaming to be conducted for over a half a century without any investigative efforts? It is also sad that no member of the religious community has taken a position on illegal gambling in this area for a long time.
Speaking of legit lawn care services I was talking to a friend of mine who hired a lawn care service to do their families lawn maintenance last year and also this upcoming season. This business hires only citizens of the US., pays into workers compensation, has a 2 million dollar insurance policy(friend asked business owner), pays employees legitimately, etc... This is how a business should be conducted. Prior to blogging this, my friend and I just got off the phone. I asked what the name of lawn service was? She has a business card and said it's yard pros 2- phone 579-2755. Family very satisfied with their services last year and they hope to be this year also. Friend said she is having her lawn rolled next week. So, what I'm saying is that there are some businesses that abide by the law and are 100% legit!
I took it upon myself to call the number of the legit lawn business mentioned by the 7:56 blogger. The reason I called is because my parents are up there In age and my family doesn't have the time to do my parents lawn maintenance. Therefore, a lawn service will be hired to do it. I asked the owner if the information the above blogger said were true about how he runs his business. He said it's 100% true and he will show documentation to those who would like to see verification. He also only has citizens of the U.S. working for him. He also pays employees at least the minimum wage requirement, not $6.00 an hour ir so. It was soothing to know there are honest business owners. This lawn business is going to my parents home to give me estimates for lawn rolling and mowing for the summer. Thanks for posting that blog Lois.
The lawn service was stated on another titled blog in regards to saving the city money to hire it out. A lawn service business owner from (?) personally made a blog about his service. Didnt say the name if what business He owns Fact is to hire it out compared to hiring all the summer help does sound and seem it would be cost effective to the city. This isn't the first time it has been mentioned about hiring jobs out. As far as for the fire department, that should speak for itself if you have been following these blogs for the last couple of years, and alot of questions have arisen in regards to that departments spending also. Just my comprehension of reading and participating on this blog site.
It is my understanding that the city of Princeton has professional lawn service care for their parks and has for many years. Maybe that is why there parks always look so nice. Summer help has always been for votes in Peru.
Princetons parks are absolutely beautiful. My wife and I go there to watch our grandson play ball. I assumed the city does the lawn services. Maybe Peru should look into this.
Nothing is going to be 100% legal with gambling. At least with legalized poker machines some revenue will be paid to the city. All cities should be thankful for this.
All good business people do not limit themselves to one vendor for a specific item or service. They also do contimuous cost analysis to confirm which vendor leaves them with the most money in their pocket at the end of the year. Basically when a business makes a purchase the determining factors are price, quality and delivery. Princeton would be a very good comparison for Peru to make in regards to their lawn service? As this is a decision which would be made in the near future would any one of the three candidates for Mayor please state their view on this subject to the blog. Election is now close enough that if a person has a question submit it to the blog and the voters will find who cares enough about them to give a answer. Knowing that the candidates have a life to live please allow them a reasonable time frame to answer and also a opportunity to answer more than one specific question at a time.
Geeze 11.24, I can think of 20+ topics at least off the top of my head that always come up. I did say at least. Happy reading and you should agree. Taxpayers money and being fiscally responsible with the spending of it.
There are alot of good lawn services that are legit. But there are those few noted on here that cheat the system and make it hard for the legit businesses to do a competitive bid against them because the cheat doesn't pay back into the system. We need to stop hiring those that do hire illegals and don't pay what they need to, both to the state and the employees. They're one reason our state is bankrupt !
If peru was smart they'd hire out the lawn service like Princeton. Save all the equipment purchase, repair, insurance, labor, and theft of time. Do the right thing peru!!
Say 20 people hired for parks and city property mowing. Say all 20 work a 40 hour week at $9.00(average) a hour that is $360.00 per week per worker. For 20 workers a week that is $7,200 a week for 20 workers at $9.00 per hour working a 40 hour week. Thats $28,800.00 PER MONTH MIND YOU. Crazy, to spend that kind of money!
I can think of six lawn businesses in the l-P area. It would be interesting to see what the bids would be to have mowing and trimming done vs.cost for summer hired city employees. Surprised that the department head hasn't done this over the years.
Oh ya and they would save on buying equipment from someones friends business thats 60 miles away rather than a Peru business!! That's what happened last spring and all Bleck could say was "duh" !!
I agree with the author of the blog that names of businesses that conduct illegal gambling should not be named. Basically I believe this on account of a safety issue. To name the businesses that sell illegal gambling serves no purpose since most know who they are. To emphasize this point I will not only state that most know who they are I will state that those that are in the positions that are to stop illegal gambling know who they are and have done nothing to stop it in the past, are doing nothing presently and the only chance something will be done in the future is to elect a completely new group. I also think that the candidates should express themselves on this subject of illegal gambling. It would be a positive to get their viewpoints on this law. I do , through observation know the present mayors viewpoint on illegal gambling and smoking in public places.
I would like to respond for 3:33. Illegal gambling gives nothing back to the community in which it is conducted and the profit always ends with a few. Illegal gambling puts a limitation on possible similar businesses who would compete with these busineses but cannot compete with prices when illegal gambling covers the cost of their other sales products. As you state it is illegal. It is just as wrong as illegal drugs. The bigger question would be, "Why would you not want it to be only legal gambling?" The win win is that tax money will be coming in where it has not before. The State is near bankrupcy!!!! The City is in financial trouble - both will gleen tax money from LEGAL gambling.
You're right, sending money to the state is obviously a good idea, look where it has gotten us so far(notice the sarcasm?) Look, sending more money into the same government isn't going to solve ANY problem UNLESS we get people in office who understand that taxing the crap out of people ISN'T the answer. Throwing money at things (in this case, the government) is just going to ensure that they can be even more reckless then what they already have been. Take our Mayor for example: as soon as the increase in sales tax passed, he borrowed against it, when it was very well known that Mike Hart had a detailed plan that not only had zero debt, but completed all the large projects within 5 years. Every form of government in this state has grown and grown and grown, taking YOUR money and spending it on frivolous projects (pickleball, infrastructure committee signs, brand new city trucks, etc.) and you are interested in giving it more?!?! We need people in office who understand the phrase "living within your means". Attempting to tax and regulate gambling is only going to drive more people towards illegal gambling, and you will be sitting there with a pile full of useless laws. When you say it only benefits a "few" is completely false as well. If I win $500, I may save $50 of it and spend the other $450. The next person could save $50 and spend the other $400 and on and on. You see there is elasticity when it comes to money, keep it in the hands of the people and lets start forcing the government to LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO. If you feel the government needs more money, send them a check.
Maybe those big name lawn care maintenance businesses should hire those high school and college students to work for them! Not a good idea probably, it would take away the profits------they would have to pay minimum wage, no less. Understand. They would get an actual paycheck, not paid under the table cash. Our own city not supporting a local business? Purchasing equipment 60 miles away. Really??? First I heard of that.
I think this subject is just best to leave it alone. If a candidate tells you he is going to stop illegal gambling, do you really think he would win the election? I think let well enough alone.
Why didn't they use M. Harts suggestion at no cost to the tax payers? And why did that infrastructure committee seem to disintegrate after the mayor got his sales tax increase?
9:22 MR. Hart has alot of experience with the State of Illinois. I don't think he was a engineer, but he had someone in his family that might be a engineer. With his experience he would know how to cut costs. He also worked with the infrastructure committee, so he would know how to get things done. The city employees like him.
why do people worry about things that are not their business. who cares if you like legal/illegal gambling or not, put yourself in the game or MYOB!! enough gladice cravats, geez
That is where you are wrong 2:35pm! The blogs have truth to them if you take the time to think about it. If you needed siding on your house and you got a bid of $10,000 from a company, and then you figured you could do it yourself and pay a few workers and it would cost you $12,000. WWUD( what would you do?
So 12:14. You are also saying nobody should care about illegal drugs too, because it is none of their business. Nobody's business if a politician is crooked. Nobodys business if somebody or a business commits tax fraud to avoid paying taxes. If people and businesses were more honest to the government than maybe the United States deficit would be so high! And those who do care wouldn't be paying as much in taxes. Happy St. Patricks Day .
Wouldn't it be a wonerful world if our country was run by drug pushers, crooked politicians, tax evaders and illegal gambling czars. Thats why people worry about things that are their business. That business to us is AMERICA
AMERICA is the land of the free, home of the brave and which many have made the supreme sacrifice for to protect its principles.
wow! this is america and you are inocent till proven guilty of anything.there are laws in place for about everything but those that choose to go against them is their business not ours. so all you right wingers are saying you never sped before, give me a break. if it does not involve you don't worry about it's their neck thats on the line not yours, and as stated alot gave it all for the right for us to choose right or wrong...lighten up
Why didn't Harl shut down the well known gambling establishments? Oh gosh I forgot -- Could there be paybacks (and big ones) in this area? Do you think there is still corruption with Harl in as mayor or was it all saintly when Baker was mayor? The politics in Peru STINK to high heaven nomatter who gets elected! When and IF either goes to church I bet they sit near the front if not RIGHT UP FRONT being holy - just a guess.
Last spring peru bought a new mower or two from a kubota dealer in Joliet. Someone's relative owns the dealership. It was questioned at a council meeting and Bleck studdered and lied, blah blah blah... the dealer on Peoria st. was pissed because it wasn't a fair bid proposal and still was bidding it even though it was rigged from the beginning. Bleck said he didn't own any of that brand which was a lie of course and that's why he went to Joliet. Lies lies lies... that's all you get from potthoff and Bleck!!
The dealer on Peoria couln't have been too angry because I do not recall of hearing of this before or did I hear of him appearing at a city council meeting and citing his complaint. The only way to be accounted is by making a formal presentation at a council meeting. Back yard talk is useless.
Two wrongs make a right, if it doesn't involve you don't get involved, haven't you ever done anything wrong in your life, the money stays here. This is just a few of the excuses which have been sent in for the reasons illegal gambling still has a place in todays world. Wake up to the fact that we are not only living in a global market but also live in a spontaneous media exposure which also spans the entire world. In the last few days the defenders of illegal gambling have commented enough to give law enforcement a factual history of what previously called for teams of top investigators to be sent into a area for weeks to accumulate. Congratulations
Some businesses don't want to choose sides in political matters. This was brought up and questioned by alderman Perez at council meetings. Some people work all day and don't want to come to meetings because we can't trust our supers or council members. That's why we elect them! Things have just gotten way out of hand in Peru with its self serving mayor and council members. Everything should be fair from hiring to bid process on anything. Look how long it took to sign the fireworks contract!!
It is evident that when outside investigation comes to Peru the investigation should start with the top city officials. Could you imagine a Mayor who has been in office for four years in Peru claiming he does not know of illegal gambling being conducted in Peru nor does he know where it is being conducted at.
Anon 8:16 If you don't want to choice sides, if you don't want to express youself, if you don't want to speak up to defend yourself or what you beleve in, if you want the next guy to do it for you all the time. Than get used to what you are complaining about because it is only going to get worse and you are part of the reason for it.
There was an article in the newstrib about this unfair bid on mowers last year. All it did was make Bleck look stupid and show how unfair the city is to its own businesses. Then look what happened around adventure drive businessman. They were told to deal with Harls decision and that was final!
Why weren't purchases made for the BB gun club made at menards or home depot????????????? Would have saved money!!!!!!!!! Maze and Debo'(ace) was used for purchases. Isn't this correct? Too much time spent at the intersection on Ventura dr.in city vehicles to go to home Depot maybe????? Lol
in my Opinion, the mayor in office that messes with our local clubs probably wont be mayor anymore. If he shut them down, the whole town would be very upset. just sayn.
By local clubs I think you mean local, long term family owned stores. Yes it is a good gesture for the city to help them out when their increase of prices is outweighted by their convenience. But when their markup is so high and the city can save alot of money by competitive buying, they should use a business mans approach.
Fastenal Co. on Unytite Dr. provides vending machines at the work station filled with supplies that cities need for its emplyoees such as shovels , ladders, gloves and itemized receipts. These receipts give a thorough history of all purchases made by date, time, employee etc. Fastenal also replinishes the machines. You just have to be willing to step into the 20th century.
Why is illegal gambling being allowed in this area? Peru has a entire population raised with the idea that you can break certain laws,get caught and serve no pentality. Illegal gambling has always been the prime example of this theory. Recent proof of this statement has taken place in Peru again. Where most work the penalization does not stop with quitting the job but carries over into legal court action, and loss of being vested towards a pension plus all other previous occupational benefits. Hired under the practice of neoptism and quitting under the still questionable act of thiefery. Why did this incident get as advanced as it did and almost never discovered if it would have not been for Ald. Perez questioning the recent disbursements for a city sponsored club? Disbursements which the Budget Director told him that he would accept them after the council meeting and than still would not accept then. Something is really wrong in old "Stinksville", Leader of the Valley.
Illegal gambling in this area is allowed because the under the table payoffs are GRREAT!!!! Once your in you don't want to let go! LIFE JUST GETS EASIER.
Anon 7:40 PM It will stop if the presiding Mayor wants it to stop. It will stop if the Sheriff wants it to stop. It will stop if the States Attorney wants it to stop.
Are you saying that there is a possibility that politicians are more interested in keeping illegal gambling in existence more than establishments that directly sell it?
Why would a person run for a position that offers a four year term if he wins, zero years if he loses. Spend more money to win that office than he will recieve in one years pay if there are not some unreported benefits?
It is a fact that most qualified people will not run for a public office if the boundaries of the position are tainted by illegal gambling. Most say they could not lie if questioned. Therefore areas such as Peru after many years of illegal gambling have restricted themselves to those who can ignore it and never have recieved the benefit from those who cannot. Illegal gambling is a major indusry in this area and has limited the areas potential. LaSalle County and Peru have gone backwards in population rather than increased when other areas have had boom years. This area has become a ghetto within iitself in its practice of illegalities and favortisms and to attract outside interests must change.
Anon 1:34 Yes we have all heard of public service. I've also heard of self service which is the reason the majority of the State of Illinois politicians and City of Peru politicians are holding office today. This is the reason that many are so thrilled with the breath of fresh air that both Sherry and Rodney bring to the cities forefront. Hopefully their numbers increase with either Steve or Justin, Mike and Becky Mueller. Remember to keep this foundation of good government alive by voting for Sherry Mayszak. Those who have worked hard must take nothing for granted but must work harder for the remaining few weeks. Sherry has been living proof of its not the size of the tiger in the fight but the size of the fight in the tiger.
Anon 1:34 There is a outstanding example of self service posted by six of Peru's finest listed in reimbursements which are being claimed for their attendence at the IML Convention. One alderman out of the seven is practicing public service. Six out of seven city officials practicing self service and one out of seven, 14%, doing public service. If 86% of the people hired by a firm were strictly working for themselves do you think this corporation would be successful. Apply these recent tallies to the City of Peru and ask yourself if it can be a long term success. Incidently what are the long and short range plans of Peru's current administration. What has been Peru's Mission Goals for the last four years?
Illegal gambling and illegal drugs exist because of the huge amount of money involved and to where alot of this money is channled. Very little of it stays with the front man locally much of it goes to the same people that have their names on a political ballot. It is these people who have the responsibility to enforce the law. If their greed is greater than their obligation to carry out their oath you have the end result that we have in LaSalle County and Peru. As the man said you need a roster to tell the cops from the robbers.
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How telling is it that WLPO - News Tribune and any other published paper or radio station only has stats on the
LEGAL GAMING when in fact more money was illegally spent on bets for Super Bowl, Bears games, etc. What kind of pay back does the average tax payer get from illegal gaming?
We would hope that this is discretionary money that one can afford to wager. Sadly, it too often is not.
If the cities benefit from this revenue, why do they allow forms of illegal gambling to exist for the benefit of a few ? Would the few be in positions of authority ?
Its a good question isn't it.
You will see many of the local bars start to close down. Sports tickets have been major profit center. Now, having a State machine makes it almost impossible to sell the illegal tickets. The problem with the state controlled machines is that almost every dime of profit is sent back to Springfield and then sucked up by Chicago. At least with the illegal gambling, most of the money ended up being spent in the local economy.
10:47 who are you implicating in illegal or legal gambling?
1:38 PM
There will be no names posted on this blog with regard to gambling.
How in the world is the NT or WLPO supposed to report on illegal gambling? There is no data for this, and they are just reporting on what they know with the legal gambling. I thought this was good to know. I don't care about the guys playing cards on a Friday night but it is truly sad seeing these poor people buying scratch off tickets at the convenience stores.
Do you also feel sorry for the bus loads of seniors that make the trek to Joliet or Iowa or Peoria for gaming on the boats.
12:53 PM do you believe that there are taxes pd on the unreported illegal gaming??
1:38 PM No one needs to name names - it is a well known fact who has the illegal gaming - you can ask any citizen of the Il Valley. And, 2:09 PM it is really sad to watch those poooor people who are scratching off tickets while paying for food, booze and cigarettes with their LINK card. Really really sad. Some wks I wish I had that LINK card for my family.
4:08 - Yes, taxes are paid on illegal gambling. Sales Tax as the money is spent locally. Just making an observation that the "tickets" keep many of the local bars open. Without that income, illegal or not, many will shut down.
ASK MAYOR HARL -- I AM SURE HE KNOWS WHO IS PAYING OFF WHO KNOWS WHO.
To 5:47 PM...pray tell how you would pay taxes on an unreported income????
Understand that it is ILLEGAL and if reported they would go to jail. Similar to prostitution - the prostitutes are guilty but so are the johns!!!!!:]
The illegal gambling was better, for the area. I believe it is true that more of that money was spent locally. I do think, that legalizing the machines, in the long run, will be a good thing for the taverns. Pretty impressive numbers on the radio out of the 9th Street Pub. I know they're not use to paying much in taxes, but you've got to roll with the changes.
What is to prove that businesses with legal gambling machines are still not selling ILLEGAL tickets? Legal machines may just be a draw for more illegal gambling (no tax revenue).
7:48 PM - OK. I'll try to explain it one more time. When somebody buys a "ticket" they give "the guy" cash, i.e. a number of U.S. Dollar Bills. Part of that money is used to pay the "winner." The remaining cash, or U.S. Dollar Bills, goes into the "guy's" pocket. This is called the margin or "profit." OK, follow me now because it gets compicated here. Naturally, this "profit" is not declared as "income," becasue, after all, "nothing is happening here." But, the "profit" is taken to the grocery store, the shoe store, the shirt store, the pants store, etc. The "profit" is spent on "legal goods." These "legal goods" are exchanged for the "profit." Every "legal" commercial exchange in which money is traded for goods is - gasp, taxed. You see, we pay what is called a "sales tax" on almost everything we buy. The legal exchange of the "illegal" profit also generates another smaller piece of "legal" profit even after the "sales tax" is paid. This "legal profit" is then declared as "income" for the store. The store also uses it to "pay" the sales clerk that also declares it as "income." Both the store and the clerk pay "income tax." And that is how tax is paid on the profits from "illegal" gampling. Cue the musical score, "The Circle of Life."
becasue the places with the state controlled gambling machines have peple with badges and guns showing up to service the machines all the time. The people with badges and guns are not local and tend to inforce the law, not look the other way. There is no telling when they "check the machines."
There's a lot more businesses cheating the area out of tax dollars by hiring illegals than selling tickets. You have a lot of lawn services that hire illegals and nobody cares about that. Look at the company by the trailer court on north 351 in lasalle. There's the company on the west end of Peru, and "his majesty's" lawn service with a dalzell address. These companies cost 100' s of times more lost tax dollars than any illegal gambling facility. They also don't pay into unemployment, federal taxes, or Medicare. They do however get public aid and leach off our system. About 10 years ago a truck from the company on the west end of peru was stopped by the police and the 3 illegals all had the same drivers license and the cop let them go. This is everyone's fault because the companies we own and work at hire these tax cheats and support them . The illegal gambling money does I believe stay in the area. The illegals that make cash send their money back to Mexico!
In the State of Illinois the liquior industry is one of the most highly scrutinized businesses in the state. All boards and commissions are in place to regulate this industry and to enforce jurisdiction of legal and illegal gaming.
When you elect a Mayor you are also electing by ordinance a City
Liquior Commissioner who is the first step of law enforcement in the above mentioned activities.
They also don't pay for workers compensation. The business owners that are running their business in a legal and honest manner are the ones getting screwed.
It becomes dangerous to a society when so many are attempting to alibi why the laws should be broken rather than move forward to have them change if they believe they are inefficient. Laws are made for the protection of the majority of society not for the few who want to live by their own incompatibilities.
Anon 8:11 With all that you know about these illegal activities you have become part of the problem since you have not reported it to the proper authorities. And for anyone who wants to excuse themseves with the "bandaid" they don't do anything. Exert your abilities and go higher in the chain of command until you get the results you are seeking. There is a way so put up or shut up!
Is this blog originate in Peru, ILLINOIS? I would expect some of the comments to have come of the hills of West Virginy? Could you recommend where a person could buy some good moonshine down there I could make it the trip in less than a half a day. Brothers, it sounds like your the place I've been looking for. Wide Open!
It's not a law if it can't or won't be enforced.
How can any rational person justify legalizing gambling while ignoring illegal gambling? Until there is a crack-down on illegal gambling the State will never know how profitable legal gambling could possibly be.
12:09 I agree. Also, just because you have a legal machine does not mean that the operator of the establishment isn't selling illegal pull tabs etc.
Come on now, most people if they were 100% honest, if they had the opportunity to make extra money and not pay taxes on it, they would do it. How about two registers in a establishment. Chances are only one is actually used for tax purposes. How about when a bartender takes your money and puts in drawer. No buttons pushed for the sale. Has anybody noticed that when you get food delivered most of the time they don't give you a receipt, you have ask for one. A well known pizza place in Peru doesn't give you a receipt, you have to ask!! These delivery people look at you like you're nutty for wanting a receipt.
In response to 12:09 I would like to go along with him...if it is a law then why is it not being enforced in LaSalle Cnty? Isn't it the police depts - local and state - responsibility to enforce the law? Why would anyone cry wolf if they knew it would not be enforced - they would not be welcome in this community. After all we are all non gamblers so it must be someone else's problem.
Probably the same pizza place that pays all employees in cash!!
The rational person would say I've had a great run but now its time to collect my coins and make a legal adjustment or hang it up and go and enjoy my shellings.
Instead they are carrying on as if there has not been any changes and taking a bigger chance of getting caught every day if they knowingly or unknowingly haven't already been caught. The state presently may have all the evidence it wants or needs to prosecute. Clue One: Why has it taken forever to install the machines at each location?
Clue two: Why would a establishment that has had the grey machines not put in to get state machines or if the location does not qualify to get legal video machines does it still have grey machines such as businesses that do not have liquior licenses and therefore not visted by the Illinois Liquior Commission?
Clue three: Traditionally is a surprise investigation done one place at a time every so many days or all places in one short time frame?
Of course nothing is going to happen in Peru or LaSalle County because there are people who live here that believe illegal gaming is beneficial to society. Will they make the rules or will the Illinois Gaming Board make the rules for LaSalle County as well as the rest of Illionis? At that time will the Illinois Gaming Board inclue local politicians who cannot help but know that these illegal acts are being conducted and have never done anything about it? They are the biggest law breakers of all. They know because they have been seen in the presense of illegalities and they read this blog.
Anyone who believes that legalized gambling can be a success where illegal gambling is allowed to be conducted is nuts. As soon as if not sooner than legal gambling is completely set up illegal gambling is going to be shut down. If you don't believe this take a look at who is getting 25% and 5%. The State of Illinois and the local city. now is it easier to understand.
@11:40 these companies have been reported. The government chooses to do nothing. "His majesty's " lawn care with the dalzell address and a shop in wolfer industrial park in spring valley has been audited and charged with tax fraud and just paid the fine and kept doing the illegal activities. The others have been reported and the government chooses to do nothing. Its sad when they advertise for subcontractors for snow in the local paper and pay cash and the department of revenue does nothing.
@11:40
They have been reported numerous times. They pay a small fine to the IRS and keep right on doing it.
Yes Anon 3:24 Yes it is easier to understand when the consideration of 25% of the gambling is going to the state. But the city government has been so inefficient that it is under the belief that illegal gambling is limited to the grey machines. When the city recieves a automatic 5% of the gross of video gaming and the city officials allow illegal gambling to be carried on in their city therefore not collecting all that they should be they are robbing the citizenship who have placed them in office and do not deserve to be reelected. In Peru, as in many other localities, the only way to set a problem straight is not to reelect a incumbent because our present office holders have refused to follow the letter of the law.
Why has the local paper and radio station become so interested in legal gaming when it has knowingly allowed illegal gaming to be conducted for over a half a century without any investigative efforts?
It is also sad that no member of the religious community has taken a position on illegal gambling in this area for a long time.
Speaking of legit lawn care services I was talking to a friend of mine who hired a lawn care service to do their families lawn maintenance last year and also this upcoming season. This business hires only citizens of the US., pays into workers compensation, has a 2 million dollar insurance policy(friend asked business owner), pays employees legitimately, etc... This is how a business should be conducted. Prior to blogging this, my friend and I just got
off the phone. I asked what the name of lawn service was? She has a business card and said it's yard pros 2- phone 579-2755. Family very satisfied with their services last year and they hope to be this year also. Friend said she is having her lawn rolled next week. So, what I'm saying is that there are some businesses that abide by the law and are 100% legit!
I took it upon myself to call the number of the legit lawn business mentioned by the 7:56 blogger. The reason I called is because my parents are up there In age and my family doesn't have the time to do my parents lawn maintenance. Therefore, a lawn service will be hired to do it. I asked the owner if the information the above blogger said were true about how he runs his business. He said it's 100% true and he will show documentation to those who would like to see verification. He also only has citizens of the U.S. working for him. He also pays employees at least the minimum wage requirement, not $6.00 an hour ir so. It was soothing to know there are honest business owners. This lawn business is going to my parents home to give me estimates for lawn rolling and mowing for the summer. Thanks for posting that blog Lois.
Why does every subject always involve lawn services or the fire department?
The lawn service was stated on another titled blog in regards to saving the city money to hire it out. A lawn service business owner from (?) personally made a blog about his service. Didnt say the name if what business He owns Fact is to hire it out compared to hiring all the summer help does sound and seem it would be cost effective to the city. This isn't the first time it has been mentioned about hiring jobs out. As far as for the fire department, that should speak for itself if you have been following these blogs for the last couple of years, and alot of questions have arisen in regards to that departments spending also. Just my comprehension of reading and participating on this blog site.
It is my understanding that the city of Princeton has professional lawn service care for their parks and has for many years. Maybe that is why there parks always look so nice.
Summer help has always been for votes in Peru.
@11:24, seems the blogs just fell into place from what a couple of the above bloggers said. I didn't see anything about the fd above.
Princetons parks are absolutely beautiful. My wife and I go there to watch our grandson play ball. I assumed the city does the lawn services. Maybe Peru should look into this.
Nothing is going to be 100% legal with gambling. At least with legalized poker machines some revenue will be paid to the city. All cities should be thankful for this.
All good business people do not limit themselves to one vendor for a specific item or service. They also do contimuous cost analysis to confirm which vendor leaves them with the most money in their pocket at the end of the year.
Basically when a business makes a purchase the determining factors are price, quality and delivery.
Princeton would be a very good comparison for Peru to make in regards to their lawn service? As this is a decision which would be made in the near future would any one of the three candidates for Mayor please state their view on this subject to the blog.
Election is now close enough that if a person has a question submit it to the blog and the voters will find who cares enough about them to give a answer. Knowing that the candidates have a life to live please allow them a reasonable time frame to answer and also a opportunity to answer more than one specific question at a time.
Geeze 11.24, I can think of 20+ topics at least off the top of my head that always come up. I did say at least. Happy reading and you should agree. Taxpayers money and being fiscally responsible with the spending of it.
There are alot of good lawn services that are legit. But there are those few noted on here that cheat the system and make it hard for the legit businesses to do a competitive bid against them because the cheat doesn't pay back into the system. We need to stop hiring those that do hire illegals and don't pay what they need to, both to the state and the employees. They're one reason our state is bankrupt !
When are the time clocks getting installed? They need to be in each department!
If peru was smart they'd hire out the lawn service like Princeton. Save all the equipment purchase, repair, insurance, labor, and theft of time. Do the right thing peru!!
The prevailing topics are self centered with a lawn service owner and a disgrunted firefighter.
Say 20 people hired for parks and city property mowing. Say all 20 work a 40 hour week at $9.00(average) a hour that is $360.00 per week per worker. For 20 workers a week that is $7,200 a week for 20 workers at $9.00 per hour working a 40 hour week. Thats $28,800.00 PER MONTH MIND YOU. Crazy, to spend that kind of money!
I can think of six lawn businesses in the l-P area. It would be interesting to see what the bids would be to have mowing and trimming done vs.cost for summer hired city employees. Surprised that the department head hasn't done this over the years.
Oh ya and they would save on buying equipment from someones friends business thats 60 miles away rather than a Peru business!! That's what happened last spring and all Bleck could say was "duh" !!
I agree with the author of the blog that names of businesses that conduct illegal gambling should not be named. Basically I believe this on account of a safety issue.
To name the businesses that sell illegal gambling serves no purpose since most know who they are. To emphasize this point I will not only state that most know who they are I will state that those that are in the positions that are to stop illegal gambling know who they are and have done nothing to stop it in the past, are doing nothing presently and the only chance something will be done in the future is to elect a completely new group. I also think that the candidates should express themselves on this subject of illegal gambling. It would be a positive to get their viewpoints on this law. I do , through observation know the present mayors viewpoint on illegal gambling and smoking in public places.
3:33. Why is stopping illegal gambling such a high priority in your eyes?
I would like to respond for 3:33. Illegal gambling gives nothing back to the community in which it is conducted and the profit always ends with a few. Illegal gambling puts a limitation on possible similar businesses who would compete with these busineses but cannot compete with prices when illegal gambling covers the cost of their other sales products.
As you state it is illegal. It is just as wrong as illegal drugs. The bigger question would be, "Why would you not want it to be only legal gambling?" The win win is that tax money will be coming in where it has not before. The State is near bankrupcy!!!! The City is in financial trouble - both will gleen tax money from LEGAL gambling.
You're right, sending money to the state is obviously a good idea, look where it has gotten us so far(notice the sarcasm?) Look, sending more money into the same government isn't going to solve ANY problem UNLESS we get people in office who understand that taxing the crap out of people ISN'T the answer. Throwing money at things (in this case, the government) is just going to ensure that they can be even more reckless then what they already have been. Take our Mayor for example: as soon as the increase in sales tax passed, he borrowed against it, when it was very well known that Mike Hart had a detailed plan that not only had zero debt, but completed all the large projects within 5 years. Every form of government in this state has grown and grown and grown, taking YOUR money and spending it on frivolous projects (pickleball, infrastructure committee signs, brand new city trucks, etc.) and you are interested in giving it more?!?! We need people in office who understand the phrase "living within your means". Attempting to tax and regulate gambling is only going to drive more people towards illegal gambling, and you will be sitting there with a pile full of useless laws. When you say it only benefits a "few" is completely false as well. If I win $500, I may save $50 of it and spend the other $450. The next person could save $50 and spend the other $400 and on and on. You see there is elasticity when it comes to money, keep it in the hands of the people and lets start forcing the government to LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO. If you feel the government needs more money, send them a check.
Maybe those big name lawn care maintenance businesses should hire those high school and college students to work for them! Not a good idea probably, it would take away the profits------they would have to pay minimum wage, no less. Understand. They would get an actual paycheck, not paid under the table cash. Our own city not supporting a local business? Purchasing equipment 60 miles away. Really??? First I heard of that.
I think this subject is just best to leave it alone. If a candidate tells you he is going to stop illegal gambling, do you really think he would win the election? I think let well enough alone.
Why didn't they use M. Harts suggestion at no cost to the tax payers? And why did that infrastructure committee seem to disintegrate after the mayor got his sales tax increase?
9:22 MR. Hart has alot of experience with the State of Illinois. I don't think he was a engineer, but he had someone in his family that might be a engineer. With his experience he would know how to cut costs. He also worked with the infrastructure committee, so he would know how to get things done. The city employees like him.
why do people worry about things that are not their business. who cares if you like legal/illegal gambling or not, put yourself in the game or MYOB!! enough gladice cravats, geez
That is where you are wrong 2:35pm! The blogs have truth to them if you take the time to think about it. If you needed siding on your house and you got a bid of $10,000 from a company, and then you figured you could do it yourself and pay a few workers and it would cost you $12,000. WWUD( what would you do?
So 12:14. You are also saying nobody should care about illegal drugs too, because it is none of their business. Nobody's business if a politician is crooked. Nobodys business if somebody or a business commits tax fraud to avoid paying taxes. If people and businesses were more honest to the government than maybe the United States deficit would be so high! And those who do care wouldn't be paying as much in taxes. Happy St. Patricks Day .
Wouldn't it be a wonerful world if our country was run by drug pushers, crooked politicians, tax evaders and illegal gambling czars.
Thats why people worry about things that are their business.
That business to us is AMERICA
AMERICA is the land of the free, home of the brave and which many have made the supreme sacrifice for to protect its principles.
wow! this is america and you are inocent till proven guilty of anything.there are laws in place for about everything but those that choose to go against them is their business not ours. so all you right wingers are saying you never sped before, give me a break. if it does not involve you don't worry about it's their neck thats on the line not yours, and as stated alot gave it all for the right for us to choose right or wrong...lighten up
Why didn't Harl shut down the well known gambling establishments? Oh gosh I forgot -- Could there be paybacks (and big ones) in this area? Do you think there is still corruption with Harl in as mayor or was it all saintly when Baker was mayor? The politics in Peru STINK to high heaven nomatter who gets elected! When and IF either goes to church I bet they sit near the front if not RIGHT UP FRONT being holy - just a guess.
Last spring peru bought a new mower or two from a kubota dealer in Joliet. Someone's relative owns the dealership. It was questioned at a council meeting and Bleck studdered and lied, blah blah blah... the dealer on Peoria st. was pissed because it wasn't a fair bid proposal and still was bidding it even though it was rigged from the beginning. Bleck said he didn't own any of that brand which was a lie of course and that's why he went to Joliet. Lies lies lies... that's all you get from potthoff and Bleck!!
The dealer on Peoria couln't have been too angry because I do not recall of hearing of this before or did I hear of him appearing at a city council meeting and citing his complaint. The only way to be accounted is by making a formal presentation at a council meeting. Back yard talk is useless.
Two wrongs make a right, if it doesn't involve you don't get involved, haven't you ever done anything wrong in your life, the money stays here. This is just a few of the excuses which have been sent in for the reasons illegal gambling still has a place in todays world. Wake up to the fact that we are not only living in a global market but also live in a spontaneous media exposure which also spans the entire world. In the last few days the defenders of illegal gambling have commented enough to give law enforcement a factual history of what previously called for teams of top investigators to be sent into a area for weeks to accumulate. Congratulations
Some businesses don't want to choose sides in political matters. This was brought up and questioned by alderman Perez at council meetings. Some people work all day and don't want to come to meetings because we can't trust our supers or council members. That's why we elect them! Things have just gotten way out of hand in Peru with its self serving mayor and council members. Everything should be fair from hiring to bid process on anything. Look how long it took to sign the fireworks contract!!
It is evident that when outside investigation comes to Peru the investigation should start with the top city officials. Could you imagine a Mayor who has been in office for four years in Peru claiming he does not know of illegal gambling being conducted in Peru nor does he know where it is being conducted at.
Anon 8:16 If you don't want to choice sides, if you don't want to express youself, if you don't want to speak up to defend yourself or what you beleve in, if you want the next guy to do it for you all the time. Than get used to what you are complaining about because it is only going to get worse and you are part of the reason for it.
There was an article in the newstrib about this unfair bid on mowers last year. All it did was make Bleck look stupid and show how unfair the city is to its own businesses. Then look what happened around adventure drive businessman. They were told to deal with Harls decision and that was final!
Why weren't purchases made for the BB gun club made at menards or home depot????????????? Would have saved money!!!!!!!!! Maze and Debo'(ace) was used for purchases. Isn't this correct? Too much time spent at the intersection on Ventura dr.in city vehicles to go to home
Depot maybe????? Lol
in my Opinion, the mayor in office that messes with our local clubs probably wont be mayor anymore. If he shut them down, the whole town would be very upset. just sayn.
By local clubs I think you mean local, long term family owned stores. Yes it is a good gesture for the city to help them out when their increase of prices is outweighted by their convenience. But when their markup is so high and the city can save alot of money by competitive buying, they should use a business mans approach.
Fastenal Co. on Unytite Dr. provides vending machines at the work station filled with supplies that cities need for its emplyoees such as shovels , ladders, gloves and itemized receipts. These receipts give a thorough history of all purchases made by date, time, employee etc. Fastenal also replinishes the machines. You just have to be willing to step into the 20th century.
Why is illegal gambling being allowed in this area? Peru has a entire population raised with the idea that you can break certain laws,get caught and serve no pentality. Illegal gambling has always been the prime example of this theory.
Recent proof of this statement has taken place in Peru again.
Where most work the penalization does not stop with quitting the job but carries over into legal court action, and loss of being vested towards a pension plus all other previous occupational benefits. Hired under the practice of neoptism and quitting under the still questionable act of thiefery.
Why did this incident get as advanced as it did and almost never discovered if it would have not been for Ald. Perez questioning the recent disbursements for a city sponsored club? Disbursements which the Budget Director told him that he would accept them after the council meeting and than still would not accept then. Something is really wrong in old "Stinksville", Leader of the Valley.
Now who has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and for how much? Interested in knowing whats going on in Stinkville.
Illegal gambling in this area is allowed because the under the table payoffs are GRREAT!!!! Once your in you don't want to let go! LIFE JUST GETS EASIER.
I will not matter who is mayor illegal gambling will not stop.
Anon 7:40 PM It will stop if the presiding Mayor wants it to stop. It will stop if the Sheriff wants it to stop. It will stop if the States Attorney wants it to stop.
Are you saying that there is a possibility that politicians are more interested in keeping illegal gambling in existence more than establishments that directly sell it?
Why would a person run for a position that offers a four year term if he wins, zero years if he loses. Spend more money to win that office than he will recieve in one years pay if there are not some unreported benefits?
10:54 That's right. It isn't as if any of them are planning to write a book after their term in office.
It is a fact that most qualified people will not run for a public office if the boundaries of the position are tainted by illegal gambling. Most say they could not lie if questioned. Therefore areas such as Peru after many years of illegal gambling have restricted themselves to those who can ignore it and never have recieved the benefit from those
who cannot. Illegal gambling is a major indusry in this area and has limited the areas potential. LaSalle County and Peru have gone backwards in population rather than increased when other areas have had boom years. This area has become a ghetto within iitself in its practice of illegalities and favortisms and to attract outside interests must change.
10:54 have you ever heard of public service?
Anon 1:34 Yes we have all heard of public service. I've also heard of self service which is the reason the majority of the State of Illinois politicians and City of Peru politicians are holding office today. This is the reason that many are so thrilled with the breath of fresh air that both Sherry and Rodney bring to the cities forefront. Hopefully their numbers increase with either Steve or Justin, Mike and Becky Mueller. Remember to keep this foundation of good government alive by voting for Sherry Mayszak. Those who have worked hard must take nothing for granted but must work harder for the remaining few weeks. Sherry has been living proof of its not the size of the tiger in the fight but the size of the fight in the tiger.
Mayszak(xxxxxxx)
Anon 1:34 There is a outstanding example of self service posted by six of Peru's finest listed in reimbursements which are being claimed for their attendence at the IML Convention. One alderman out of the seven is practicing public service. Six out of seven city officials practicing self service and one out of seven, 14%, doing public service. If 86% of the people hired by a firm were strictly working for themselves do you think this corporation would be successful. Apply these recent tallies to the City of Peru and ask yourself if it can be a long term success.
Incidently what are the long and short range plans of Peru's current administration. What has been Peru's Mission Goals for the last four years?
4:03 their mission appears to be spend money
And who do they spend money on?
Illegal gambling and illegal drugs exist because of the huge amount of money involved and to where alot of this money is channled. Very little of it stays with the front man locally much of it goes to the same people that have their names on a political ballot. It is these people who have the responsibility to enforce the law. If their greed is greater than their obligation to carry out their oath you have the end result that we have in LaSalle County and Peru. As the man said you need a roster to tell the cops from the robbers.
You don't need a gun to rob the bank.
Shutting down gambling in LaSalle County will change elected positions.
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